jgbrowning
Hero
Rystil Arden said:
Sorry, referring to Shilellegh... or however it's spelled..
EDIT: OK... at least you knew Disrupting weapon was core...
joe b.
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Sorry, referring to Shilellegh... or however it's spelled..
EDIT: OK... at least you knew Disrupting weapon was core...
joe b.
Rystil Arden
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Well, you're partly right. If it was a change to magical and you are correct about spell targeting, then the spell wouldn't work. Smurf brought up the Shillelagh example to try to show you that you are not correct about targeting.jgbrowning said:
Hypersmurf
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jgbrowning said:
A-ha! Only with the assumption that you're making - that a spell continually checks to ensure that its target is still valid.
I contend that a spell checks for target validity when it comes into effect. The fact that the club becomes magical after the spell comes into effect is irrelevant. At the instant that the Target entry was meaningful, the club was non-magical.
-Hyp.
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jgbrowning
Hero
Rystil Arden said:
I'm not sure I follow this. I'm not talking about targeting. I'm talking about a change in state underwhich certain things are expressly forbidden. The whole weapon thing is a side track.
For example, If I polymorph a shillelaghed club into a longsword, the spell doesn't work. If I cast speak with plants on a treant that's polymorphed into a lion, the spell doesn't work.
The polymorph explictely states a type change occurs, said spell doesn't work on that type, so spell doesn't work. I don't really see a problem.
joe b.
Rystil Arden
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Ooo, I got my name in the thread title with Hypersmurf and jgbrowning! 
jgbrowning
Hero
Kelleris said:
Heh. That's pretty damn funny.
joe b.
Hypersmurf
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Second example:
Heat Metal
Transmutation [Fire]
Target: Metal equipment of one creature per two levels, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart
I cast Heat Metal on the metal equipment of three creatures, who are standing in a triangle, twenty feet apart from each other. On his action, one of the creatures moves twenty feet further away from his friends.
The three creatures no longer satisfy the "no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart" condition of the target line, which means that the metal equipment each of them carries is no longer a valid target for a Heat Metal spell aimed at all three.
What happens to the spell?
1. Nothing. It's already in effect - the relative positions of the creatures is no longer important.
2. The equipment of the creature who moved is no longer affected, but the equipment of the other two continues to heat up as normal.
2a. The spell is suppressed on the equipment of the creature who moved, but if he returns within 30 feet of the others, he'll suffer the normal effects.
3. The spell terminates.
3b. The spell is suppressed, but if the creature returns, the equipment of all three will be affected again.
-Hyp.
Heat Metal
Transmutation [Fire]
Target: Metal equipment of one creature per two levels, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart
I cast Heat Metal on the metal equipment of three creatures, who are standing in a triangle, twenty feet apart from each other. On his action, one of the creatures moves twenty feet further away from his friends.
The three creatures no longer satisfy the "no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart" condition of the target line, which means that the metal equipment each of them carries is no longer a valid target for a Heat Metal spell aimed at all three.
What happens to the spell?
1. Nothing. It's already in effect - the relative positions of the creatures is no longer important.
2. The equipment of the creature who moved is no longer affected, but the equipment of the other two continues to heat up as normal.
2a. The spell is suppressed on the equipment of the creature who moved, but if he returns within 30 feet of the others, he'll suffer the normal effects.
3. The spell terminates.
3b. The spell is suppressed, but if the creature returns, the equipment of all three will be affected again.
-Hyp.
Rystil Arden
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Sure! Its not often that anyone on ENWorld past the person to whom I am directly posting acknowledges my existenceKelleris said:An eternal optimist, I see!
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