Just saw RotJ Spec. Ed. on DVD for the first time...

[Desdichado]

Do you really know people who are too dense to connect the dots?

Biggs was a name mentioned in passing in two quick lines of dialogue vs. a scene that shows Luke and Biggs talking about their opinions of the Empire and foreshadowing Luke's rise from apathetic and whiny farmboy to hero of the battle of Yavin 4.

It's not so much connecting the dots; most people I know already knew who Biggs was anyway. Its a matter of making the movie better. Adding in Biggs on Yavin 4 without adding him back in on Tatooine too is poor editing.

 

[wingsandsword]

It's not so much connecting the dots; most people I know already knew who Biggs was anyway. Its a matter of making the movie better. Adding in Biggs on Yavin 4 without adding him back in on Tatooine too is poor editing.

Actually, this was a place where Lucas knew to leave well enough alone.

The problem is, Biggs is supposed to leave Tatooine, go back to his ship, wait for an opportune moment to defect to the Rebellion, and become a serving starfighter pilot in the time it takes for Luke to go on his little adventure to leave Tatooine for the Death Star in the fastest ship in the galaxy and end up at Yavin IV with Biggs already as an established and serving pilot. In other words, Biggs would be extremely lucky to be at Yavin at the same time as another raw pilot, and the second Biggs scene depicts him as a veteran.

In other words, the first Biggs scene probably did happen, just not within the timeframe of the movie.

 

[Storm Raven]

The problem is, Biggs is supposed to leave Tatooine, go back to his ship, wait for an opportune moment to defect to the Rebellion, and become a serving starfighter pilot in the time it takes for Luke to go on his little adventure to leave Tatooine for the Death Star in the fastest ship in the galaxy and end up at Yavin IV with Biggs already as an established and serving pilot. In other words, Biggs would be extremely lucky to be at Yavin at the same time as another raw pilot, and the second Biggs scene depicts him as a veteran.

In other words, the first Biggs scene probably did happen, just not within the timeframe of the movie.

Screwey timelines are not new to the Star Wars saga. Did you ever notice that in Empire Strikes Back it apparently takes about as much time to flee from Impreial Star Destroyers, go to Bespin, and get tortured as it does to fly to Dagobah and train to be a jedi knight? If Luke had known that jedi training took a weekend or so of effort, he probably would have knocked it out earlier.

 

[wingsandsword]

Screwey timelines are not new to the Star Wars saga. Did you ever notice that in Empire Strikes Back it apparently takes about as much time to flee from Impreial Star Destroyers, go to Bespin, and get tortured as it does to fly to Dagobah and train to be a jedi knight? If Luke had known that jedi training took a weekend or so of effort, he probably would have knocked it out earlier.

It didn't just take a weekend or so of randomly working out, it took actually being trained by a master. All he had before was intuition and a few hours of training from Obi-Wan a few years earlier.

Think of it like martial arts, even if you're gifted and have lots of chances to practice, if you've only been taught the basics a while back and haven't had a teacher for a long time, your progress won't be anywhere nearly as effective as if you actually have an experienced master to help you along, even if for just a relatively short time.

 

[Jhamin]

It didn't just take a weekend or so of randomly working out, it took actually being trained by a master. All he had before was intuition and a few hours of training from Obi-Wan a few years earlier.

Think of it like martial arts, even if you're gifted and have lots of chances to practice, if you've only been taught the basics a while back and haven't had a teacher for a long time, your progress won't be anywhere nearly as effective as if you actually have an experienced master to help you along, even if for just a relatively short time.

If all it took was a long weekend and alot of talent, why was Anakin's training such a big deal? It sounded like he was with Obi-Wan for years. And if Yoda was that big a factor, why didn't he take two days out of his schedule to make Anakin a master? Expecially after the clone wars started? The younglings couldn't have been that demanding.



Naa..
It was dramatically appropriate that Luke learn at montage speeds, so he did. Same way Indiana Jones crossed the ocean on a periscope top.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Considering we don't actually no HOW LONG it took to repair the Falcon, etc on Bespin, its impossible to make any judgements on how long Luke's training was. Well, other than the fact it took roughly the same time and that Luke cut out before he was done.

 

[Welverin]

What's lost? To me (and why should I care about what first-time viewers think when I can only judge a film on my preferences and not their ignorance?), the Han-Greedo scene edit fundamentally changes the character of Han Solo. This is not a relatively trivial change from 10 X-wings to 50, but a series-shocking reversal of character.

No, it's not. Han's still as much of a badass after the change as he was before, the reason for it is just a little different. The man was inches from having his face blown off, kills the guy right back, gets up tosses some money to the bar keeper and walks out like nothing happens.

And since you refuse to acknowledge it, it did refuse to kill at all.

<sigh> I'll probably end up converting my restored tapes that I bought right before they went off the market for good into DVD-Rs and when that happens, that'll be the only Star Wars OT I'll watch.

If you do some searching you should be able to find copies of the laser disc version you could acquire (jdavis mentioned having pick up a copy way back when).

I had wanted copies myself, but I've come to the conclusion that it wouldn't make much sense because I'd never watch them anyway. I can barely watch them as it is.

Bit of trivia:
Anyone else notice that every single SW movie DVD has exactly fifty scenes?

Trivia Question (because I want to know):
Was Bobba Fett originally in the ANH Jabba scene? THe only raw footage of it I've scene is cropped and he's always on the edge of the screen.

 

[Welverin]

seem to have missed a page

Considering we don't actually no HOW LONG it took to repair the Falcon, etc on Bespin, its impossible to make any judgements on how long Luke's training was. Well, other than the fact it took roughly the same time and that Luke cut out before he was done.

How long it took to get to Bespin is the critical factor, no hyperdrve equals really damn long, but this is Star Wars, so about an hour.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

How long it took to get to Bespin is the critical factor, no hyperdrve equals really damn long, but this is Star Wars, so about an hour.

Also have to factor in the time spent on Cloud City, which could very well have been a matter of weeks. Sure, still short Jedi training, but Luke didn't finish AND it was rushed anyway.

 

[Welverin]

Also have to factor in the time spent on Cloud City, which could very well have been a matter of weeks. Sure, still short Jedi training, but Luke didn't finish AND it was rushed anyway.

I think the most important thing is simply that Luke's training never was completed, he ran out early and it caused all sorts of trouble.

And again I say it's Star Wars and apply logic will only make your brain hurt.