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Justice League: So, who's seen the Snyder Cut?

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Question -- the big red shield dome protecting Steppenwolf's base. What was its purpose? Who was it supposed to protect against, given that basic human weaponry dealt with it very quickly? Just in case random civilians wandered in?
 

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embee

Lawyer by day. Rules lawyer by night.
Question -- the big red shield dome protecting Steppenwolf's base. What was its purpose? Who was it supposed to protect against, given that basic human weaponry dealt with it very quickly? Just in case random civilians wandered in?
It's the next step in the Giant Beam In The Sky arms race.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Supporter
Question -- the big red shield dome protecting Steppenwolf's base. What was its purpose? Who was it supposed to protect against, given that basic human weaponry dealt with it very quickly? Just in case random civilians wandered in?
I was thinking that too . . . how un-amazing Apokoliptan technology is . . .

I was also noticing how somehow, Darkseid held a grudge against the world that DARED to fight back . . . but forgot which one it was?!?!

I think it's the usual for movies and comic books . . . how easy something is to defeat isn't based on solid world-building or carefully though out logic . . . it's what serves the story, or sometimes a way to pull the story out of a corner the writers put it in . . .

It's only bad when it's noticeable . . . and it was noticeable!
 

ART!

Hero
Undisclipined filmmaking. Indulgent. Pacing designed for people with nothing else to do - which I don't blame just him for: WB gave him money and said "make the movie you wanted". He said he could have made a 6-hour cut. There's a reason these kinds of movies are usually 2 hours long. Otherwise just make a tv series - which this kind of feels like, especially in terms of pacing...if a binge-watched tv series didn't care about each episode's dramatic arcs. And there's so many digital effects that they can't all look good - and they really don't. Also: murdery Wonder Woman. Great.

Maybe after watching the 8 hours I haven't watched yet I'll like it more. ;)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Undisclipined filmmaking. Indulgent.
Ugh. Y'know, people like different things. Can we just go back to saying what we liked or didn't like, rather than declaring ultimate truths like they're some kind of objective reality? This was completely up my alley. I loved it.
 

Stalker0

Legend
Question -- the big red shield dome protecting Steppenwolf's base. What was its purpose? Who was it supposed to protect against, given that basic human weaponry dealt with it very quickly? Just in case random civilians wandered in?
I went with the notion that it shielded them from satellite scans.....otherwise the world governments should have already known where Steppenwolf's base was. Batman probably as well as he has himself some satellites of his own.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Batman probably as well as he has himself some satellites of his own.
I know! 6 whole satellites! Elon Musk must be laughing at Bruce Wayne.

Which brings up a question. In a world with American billionaires like Bezos, Musk, and Gates, who have $100B+ would anybody even notice the Waynes?
 

Stalker0

Legend
Which brings up a question. In a world with American billionaires like Bezos, Musk, and Gates, who have $100B+ would anybody even notice the Waynes?
Which is probably just as Bruce likes it. Rich enough to have all the toys he needs, but gets to fly at least a little bit under the radar compared to some others.

Although one of the interesting things about this "older" Bruce Wayne is he really is not that careful with his secret identity anymore. Aquaman throws his identity around casually in the fish village scene and Bruce doesn't even "bat" an eye.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Which is probably just as Bruce likes it. Rich enough to have all the toys he needs, but gets to fly at least a little bit under the radar compared to some others.
The narrative never has Bruce Wayne flying under the radar. He and Lex Luthor were generally the two richest guys.The problem is that reality has overtaken the fiction, and people like Bezos and Musk are so ridiculously wealthy, that even fictional super-rich people look poor. Even superhero comic book writers ever imagined that much wealth.
 

Larnievc

Explorer
I have it ready to watch, but my Pathfinder game is tonight, so I have to wait until tomorrow night.

It's doing well -- so far! -- on Rotten Tomatoes, but it'll get review-bombed at some point.

I saw it. I really liked it. I like Snyder films for their epic spectacle and the DC universe fits the bill (for me).

I’m not the biggest DC reader so if the characters did not exactly match the comics I did not really notice or get hot and bothered about it.

I thought it was a perfect 8.2/10.
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Ugh. Y'know, people like different things. Can we just go back to saying what we liked or didn't like, rather than declaring ultimate truths like they're some kind of objective reality? This was completely up my alley. I loved it.
And his post is different from your post at #30 in this thread where you declare that it looked so much better and the every character felt real?

Does every opinion have to be prefaced with “in my opinion” to keep fans from insinuating that a critic is making unwanted objective declarations when they’re just stating their opinions in the same structure as fans are?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
And his post is different from your post at #30 in this thread where you declare that it looked so much better and the every character felt real?

Does every opinion have to be prefaced with “in my opinion” to keep fans from insinuating that a critic is making unwanted objective declarations when they’re just stating their opinions in the same structure as fans are?
Sure. OK. You're technically correct.

It's just hard liking stuff on the internet these days. Once upon a time (man I sound old!) the internet was all people enjoying their shared interests. Now it's the exact opposite of that thing and nobody is allowed to like anything. I haven't been allowed to enjoy a shared positive conversation about stuff I like for over a decade. Here. Facebook. Twitter. Anywhere. You get shouted down everywhere.

I know. That's my problem.
 

Ryujin

Hero
Sure. OK. You're technically correct.

It's just hard liking stuff on the internet these days. Once upon a time (man I sound old!) the internet was all people enjoying their shared interests. Now it's the exact opposite of that thing and nobody is allowed to like anything. I haven't been allowed to enjoy a shared positive conversation about stuff I like for over a decade. Here. Facebook. Twitter. Anywhere. You get shouted down everywhere.

I know. That's my problem.
Clearly your experience doesn't date back to the usenet days :ROFLMAO:
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Sure. OK. You're technically correct.

It's just hard liking stuff on the internet these days. Once upon a time (man I sound old!) the internet was all people enjoying their shared interests. Now it's the exact opposite of that thing and nobody is allowed to like anything. I haven't been allowed to enjoy a shared positive conversation about stuff I like for over a decade. Here. Facebook. Twitter. Anywhere. You get shouted down everywhere.

I know. That's my problem.
A shared interest doesn’t means you‘re always liking the same things. You can discuss likes and dislikes without taking things personally - like movies, art, games. If it’s all positive like unicorns and fluffy bunnies, it’s not a discussion - it’s an echo chamber.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
A shared interest doesn’t means you‘re always liking the same things. You can discuss likes and dislikes without taking things personally - like movies, art, games. If it’s all positive like unicorns and fluffy bunnies, it’s not a discussion - it’s an echo chamber.
Thank you for the lesson, sensei.
 

Eric V

Hero
A shared interest doesn’t means you‘re always liking the same things. You can discuss likes and dislikes without taking things personally - like movies, art, games. If it’s all positive like unicorns and fluffy bunnies, it’s not a discussion - it’s an echo chamber.
I don't think anyone is asking for that. At all.

OTOH, when ART! writes "Pacing designed for people with nothing else to do" and Morrus just wrote how he likes it, the conclusion is Morrus has nothing else to do. That's an unnecessary scatter shot against people who liked it.
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
I don't think anyone is asking for that. At all.

OTOH, when ART! writes "Pacing designed for people with nothing else to do" and Morrus just wrote how he likes it, the conclusion is Morrus has nothing else to do. That's an unnecessary scatter shot against people who liked it.
Yeah, yeah. Fans always get riled up when people criticize stuff they like. Happens all the time sound here.

But a 4-hour director’s cut could certainly be called indulgent.
 


Hatmatter

Laws of Mordenkainen, Elminster, & Fistandantilus
Sure. OK. You're technically correct.

It's just hard liking stuff on the internet these days. Once upon a time (man I sound old!) the internet was all people enjoying their shared interests. Now it's the exact opposite of that thing and nobody is allowed to like anything. I haven't been allowed to enjoy a shared positive conversation about stuff I like for over a decade. Here. Facebook. Twitter. Anywhere. You get shouted down everywhere.

I know. That's my problem.
It is the problem of many. Up to my twenties, when I would role-play with friends, or go to the occasional convention, or what have you, it was enthusiasm for fantasy, science fiction, mythology, comic books, and so forth that dominated. People had different opinions and it was fun to talk about this stuff, hear the different opinions, but enthusiasm dominated.

In forums online, it seems like the enthusiasm must be there...it is hard to imagine it being anything but the motivation that brings people to places like right here. Yet, once the conversation online gets started, so often there are wet blankets or people who want to prove they are right at the expense of others. It is a story repeated ad infinitum across the Web. It is discouraging because, like a wet blanket, it stifles my enthusiasm and desire to even participate online.

I think it is a problem intrinsic to a media where we are anonymous and not physically present with one another and able to read one another's non-verbal cues. I see this whether it is forums on music, role-playing games, or even religion where participants aspire to love and forgive each other yet their anonymous online communications with one another online can be rife with the omnipresent online impulse to have to win an argument, meanness, and sometimes name-calling.

My reaction has been to adopt, years ago, a "only participate with the positive" approach to these kinds of online forums. When someone responds with something negative, I just try to emphasize what might be positive in the post or I simply do not respond. In my non-online-hobby life I have to problem solve and work through personal relations issues, but for my online hobby I have found trying to give up the natural instinct to "win" every argument helps me. Also, realizing that if I don't have anything positive to write, I can simply not respond has helped me. But, over time, my interest in participating online has dwindled as a consequence.
 
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Now it's the exact opposite of that thing and nobody is allowed to like anything.

I don't think anyone feels that you're not allowed to like this movie. We can all agree and disagree on things we like about any movie or tvshow, without implying that the other is not allowed to hold their opinion.

For example, I have been highly critical of The Mandalorian, but I've never expressed that others were not allowed to like it. In fact, I can see that there are things to like... but also to dislike. And there are people who don't have the patience for Wandavision; a show that I loved. And that's fine. I enjoy discussing our disagreements.

Likewise, I don't think I'll be watching the Snyder Cut. I wasn't interested in Justice League to begin with, since Snyder's style of filmmaking rubs me the wrong way. But even after hearing that the Snyder Cut is a large improvement over Justice League's theatrical release, that is not a very high bar to clear.
 

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