# Playtest (A5E)Level Up Playtest Document #17: Journeys

Welcome to the 17th Level Up playtest document. This playtest document contains an abbreviated expression of the game’s Journey rules, which form an important part of the exploration pillar of play.

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#### Augreth

##### Explorer
I think 24 miles a day are highly unrealistic for „normal“ speed, especially in armor.

I remember that AD&D stated about 20 kilometers, and that’s about okay. 20-25km are manageable, that’s about 12-15 miles. That’s also what you find when googling for hiking distances.

24 miles are doable, but I would definitely not consider this „normal“ speed.

#### Augreth

##### Explorer
„Mounts and pack animals“: the statement that „Mounts such as riding horses can only travel for about an hour a day at the gallop speed“ (first sentence in that paragraph) is repeated nearly literally at the beginning of the next paragraph.

#### BrassDragon

Supporter
I think 24 miles a day are highly unrealistic for „normal“ speed, especially in armor.

I remember that AD&D stated about 20 kilometers, and that’s about okay. 20-25km are manageable, that’s about 12-15 miles. That’s also what you find when googling for hiking distances.

24 miles are doable, but I would definitely not consider this „normal“ speed.
Agreed, military marching speed is around 15 miles on passable terrain and maybe one and a half times that for a forced march.

But then again, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas distance run after an army of urukhai so maybe heroes can push harder than real world soldiers.

#### Augreth

##### Explorer
„A creature can carry a number of Supply equal to its Strength score in addition to the rest of its gear.“

With Str 10-11 I‘d rather pass on some other gear and carry my own Supply. I know you want to keep it simple, but Str 10-11 is average, so the average person cannot carry 1 Supply by himself. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Maybe it should be a minimum of 1 Supply? Or maybe Str mod +1?

#### Augreth

##### Explorer
Agreed, military marching speed is around 15 miles on passable terrain and maybe one and a half times that for a forced march.

But then again, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas distance run after an army of urukhai so maybe heroes can push harder than real world soldiers.

I‘d consider that a forced marsh. Normal speed should be every day travel, say from Waterdeep to Daggerford.

#### Morrus

##### Well, that was fun
Staff member
„A creature can carry a number of Supply equal to its Strength score in addition to the rest of its gear.“

With Str 10-11 I‘d rather pass on some other gear and carry my own Supply. I know you want to keep it simple, but Str 10-11 is average, so the average person cannot carry 1 Supply by himself. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Maybe it should be a minimum of 1 Supply? Or maybe Str mod +1?
Strength 10 can carry 10 Supply.

#### Augreth

##### Explorer
Strength 10 can carry 10 Supply.
Oops, score not mod! Sorry for bothering

#### Tonguez

##### A suffusion of yellow
I think 24 miles a day are highly unrealistic for „normal“ speed, especially in armor.

I remember that AD&D stated about 20 kilometers, and that’s about okay. 20-25km are manageable, that’s about 12-15 miles. That’s also what you find when googling for hiking distances.

24 miles are doable, but I would definitely not consider this „normal“ speed.
Yeah I agree 12 miles for a normal days hike, 24 is a forced march

#### Waller

##### Hero
Average walking speed is 3-4 mph. So 24-32 miles in an 8 hour day. If you’re going all Legolas and running then distance runners do that in 2-3 hours. I dunno where this 12 miles per day is coming from, but we used to do that hiking as kids. We’re talking adult adventurers here. Armed forces do 12 miles in 3 hours, not in a day.

The Romans used to march 20 miles in 5 hours at ‘regular’ pace, but that was an army, not an adventuring group which can move much faster.

In my job I walk over 10 miles a day and I’m not even hiking. That’s just me at work. I’m not an experienced hiker like an adventurer is.

“But how far could a fit, trained person walk in eight hours? Many trained walkers finish a 26.2-mile walker-friendly marathon in about seven hours, with no breaks.”

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#### Tonguez

##### A suffusion of yellow
Average walking speed is 3-4 mph. So 24-32 miles in an 8 hour day. If you’re going all Legolas and running then distance runners do that in 2-3 hours. I dunno where this 12 miles per day is coming from, but we used to do that hiking as kids. We’re talking adult adventurers here. Armed forces do 12 miles in 3 hours, not in a day.

The Romans used to march 20 miles in 5 hours at ‘regular’ pace, but that was an army, not an adventuring group which can move much faster.

In my job I walk over 10 miles a day and I’m not even hiking. That’s just me at work. I’m not an experienced hiker like an adventurer is.

“But how far could a fit, trained person walk in eight hours? Many trained walkers finish a 26.2-mile walker-friendly marathon in about seven hours, with no breaks.”
Thats a modern continuous hike, that doesn’t account for rest stops, scouting, setting camp or random encounters (Ie its a forced march)
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