Living Supers - General Discussion Thread

[JRYoung]

Note that Aquaphibian has been updated on on the Character Submission thread.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Alright, in working on a possible second character I came up with a couple questions.

1- With Alternate Power feat, say I have 8 ranks of Blast (2PP each) for a total of 16PP spent. Now if I add three Alternate Powers to that do I only have a total of 16PP worth to put towards all those powers? Or can I spend 16PP on each of them?

2- If a character is incorperal permanently (Insubstantial with 4 ranks, +1PP/R to increase duration from Sustained to Continuous, then -1PP/R to change Continuous to Permanent) he would have no Strength score (per the definition of incorporeal) does that mean I would get an extra 10 PP to spend from reducing his Strength from 10 down to 0?

Thanks for your help.

 

[Velmont]

1- With Alternate Power feat, say I have 8 ranks of Blast (2PP each) for a total of 16PP spent. Now if I add three Alternate Powers to that do I only have a total of 16PP worth to put towards all those powers? Or can I spend 16PP on each of them?

You have 16PP to spend for each array in your alternate power, that can include more than one power in teh same array, so you could have for array this:

- Blast 8
- Fly 4 and ForceField 8
- Stun 8
- Blast (extra: Penetrating and Area) 4

You can use only one of these array at a time, so you couldn,t use your blast while your forcefield is up and you are flying (excet if you want to fall on the ground without protection). No single array can worth more than 16PP, so if you haev an array at 15PP, you cannot take this PP for another array and spend 17PP in it.

2- If a character is incorperal permanently (Insubstantial with 4 ranks, +1PP/R to increase duration from Sustained to Continuous, then -1PP/R to change Continuous to Permanent) he would have no Strength score (per the definition of incorporeal) does that mean I would get an extra 10 PP to spend from reducing his Strength from 10 down to 0?

Yes, but you won't be able to manipulate anything, except if you buy a power that would allow you to do so (like telekinesis). It is just like doing a robot, you might want to reduce your Con to 0 and buy ranks in Protection to represent his hardness and spend 30PP in immunity against Fortitude save, as you don't have any living anatomy.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Thanks Velmont. And if I remember right, you can only have things in an array that have the same range, or duration, etc.

 

[Velmont]

Thanks Velmont. And if I remember right, you can only have things in an array that have the same range, or duration, etc.

Hmmm... isn't that the restriction for linked powers? I don't have my book under hand, so I cannot swear about it, but if you look at the template in the first chapter (that chapter is avalaible online...) you see the power armor have Blast adn as alternate power: super strenght... not the same range at all. Same for the psionic template, which has in the same array, mental blast and illusion, one is instant and the other is not.

 

[Phoenix8008]

Ooops! That's right. That IS for Linked, not Alternate powers. Right again I see. Thanks.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Yes, but you won't be able to manipulate anything, except if you buy a power that would allow you to do so (like telekinesis). It is just like doing a robot, you might want to reduce your Con to 0 and buy ranks in Protection to represent his hardness and spend 30PP in immunity against Fortitude save, as you don't have any living anatomy.

While nearly everything you said here is true, the answer to your question should be 'No', not 'Yes', I think. The fact that it reduces Strength to 0 vs corporeal foes has already been costed into Incorporeal's price. That's one reason why it gives you so many crazy powers for so little cost.

 

[Velmont]

While nearly everything you said here is true, the answer to your question should be 'No', not 'Yes', I think. The fact that it reduces Strength to 0 has already been costed into Incorporeal's price. That's one reason why it gives you so many crazy powers for so little cost.

As I told, I don't have my book underhand, so I might haev been wrong on that one.

 

[Rystil Arden]

As I told, I don't have my book underhand, so I might haev been wrong on that one.

Right--I don't have it right now either, but I just got finished helping a player in my FtF game make an incorporeal character, so the sticking points are mainly: Yes, the incorporeal ability gives tons of abilities for a low price, but factored in there is the cost of losing all Strength as well as the cost of requiring 'Affects Corporeal' on all your attacks that affect corporeal. Also, it is generally considered unfair (at least by me) to take immunity to mental effects or the one other effect you chose not to be immune to (Incorporeal requires you to specify a fairly common type that you aren't immune to) because then you would be immune to everything (incorporeal is already immune to nonmental energy and physical attacks).

 

[Phoenix8008]

Okay, so I don't get 10 extra PP to spend. But I also don't have to spend for Immunity to aging, sleep, suffocation, starvation, thirst, or other things that require a body? Another question- do I have to buy 'affects corporeal' for a power that is mental based like emotion control? I wouldn't be affecting their corporeal bodies, just their minds after all.

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