Magic Vestment on a shirt = "Armor"

[dcollins]

Well, as a single example, my PC cleric's monk cohort certainly has magic vestment and shield of faith on him during a lot of our tough fights.

 

[Destil]

Well, as a single example, my PC cleric's monk cohort certainly has magic vestment and shield of faith on him during a lot of our tough fights.

freak

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

As a Nethack fan, I certainly enjoy the concept of a +5 Hawaiian Shirt. Magical armor clothing makes sense for a lot of character concepts, and I'd probably allow it.

It's not like people in my games ever really have magical items anyway.

 

[mzsylver]

as a side note, i have seen more sets of "magical clothes" blow up in item destruction (natural one) rolls than any other item. we've had 4 blow up in the past 6 months... i think it's the fact that they have hardly any hit points...

"Look! Naked Monk!"

 

[LokiDR]

At least one publisher calls a shirt armor for the sake of enchanting. After consideration, I don't agree.

A monk or spell caster should not easily be able to get armor abilities such as fortification. Spellcasters already have a lot of options, and the monk has a lot of abilites to compensate.

On a different topic, would magic vestments and mage armor stack?

 

[kigmatzomat]

You are saying to create a whole new item from scratch.

Yup. I have this rarely held belief that wonderous items have a function-follows-form kind of thing going on. Admittedly I'm quibbling semantics here since the crux of my argument is that mage armor should be used on bracers/gauntlets/minor bits of armor but magic vestment should be used on whole garments.

However in my games I would require a magic shirt of Force armor to constantly billow and ripple about the character, if for no other reason than to justify force armor's value vs. touch attacks.

I am saying to take an existing item and change only it's slot and flavor text.

I'm suggesting using a spell that is specifically designed to augment materials. Call me weird, but when there's a perfect tool for the job it should be used.

Yet further proof that a shirt is not armor except for the purposes of the Magic Vestment spell; which is exactly why they spelled out the exception.

Something I never suggested nor argued. I was merely discussing the use of Magic Vestment to make a magic shirt. I'm fine with all classes not requiring the upper torso to be exposed having access to magic shirt technology.

 

[SpikeyFreak]

On a different topic, would magic vestments and mage armor stack?

Since the shirt is considered armor with a bonus of +0, the spell basically gives you armor with a bonus of +5, so I would say that they don't stack.

--Conjecturing Spikey

 

[LokiDR]

Since the shirt is considered armor with a bonus of +0, the spell basically gives you armor with a bonus of +5, so I would say that they don't stack.

--Conjecturing Spikey

I might think that as well. However, magic vestments is meant to improve "armor" you are wearing. It gives an enhancement to the armor bonus, as I understand it, not just an enhancement to AC. This is how I reason a +5 on a shield stacks with the +5 on armor. Since the armor bonuses from these objects stack, the enhancement stacks.

That is long hand for "I don't really know".

 

[dcollins]

On a different topic, would magic vestments and mage armor stack?

No. They both provide armor bonuses.

Enhancements (such as from magic vestments) raise the armor bonus of an item. Armor and shield bonuses then stack because, well, armor and shield bonuses always stack. Consider also this web page for further clarification (especially, Examples after #6): www.superdan.net/dndfaq1.html

 

[LokiDR]

No. They both provide armor bonuses.

Enhancements (such as from magic vestments) raise the armor bonus of an item. Armor and shield bonuses then stack because, well, armor and shield bonuses always stack. Consider also this web page for further clarification (especially, Examples after #6): www.superdan.net/dndfaq1.html

So you are saying that the MV makes a shirt into a +5 armor bonus, which wouldn't stack with the +4 from mage armor? That makes sense.

Could a spell then be created, say "enhance defense" which gives an enhancement to the defense an item provides, and use it in conjunction with bracers of armor? Or would the spell only function on the bracers and not effect the mage armor spell that is effectively on you?