Mind Blank defeats the effect of a True Strike?

[KarinsDad]

Which is unlike true strike, which doesn't need to penetrate the target's magical protection's to work (IMO).

So, how does True Strike find an invisible target or a target in a Fog spell? It says in the True Strike spell that it negates the concealment miss chance, so how can it do that if if is not targeting the target?


The flip side of this coin is "How do you determine which divination spells work and which do not?"

To me, the simple answer is:

Those that affect the protected target in anyway are affected by Mind Blank.

Those that do not affect the protected target in anyway are not affected by Mind Blank.


Otherwise, you open a whole can of worms at the gaming table as to "can I use this divination spell?", "can I use that one?".

You need some criteria to differentiate between divinations that are protected against and ones which are not. To me, the differentiator is whether the divination can be used to do anything to the target (even harm him, even find out information about him). YMMV.

 

[IceBear]

I would agree that see invisible would be defeated by mind blank.

It seems impossible to me that see invisible would be able to work without having the divining magic affect the protected target.

Which is unlike true strike, which doesn't need to penetrate the target's magical protection's to work (IMO).

It seems to me that mind blank should completely shield any divination magic from seeing/hearing/smelling/anything the protected person. My only arguement here is that true strike doesn't need to do that. It needs only divine whether the attacker is going to accomplish what he is trying. He is measuring himself, not the target. But that's just my opinion.

If you think true strike can only work by divining the target's future, then mind blank would protect you.

How can you measure your future success if the target of your success simply doesn't exist to your future? To me, if True Sight will tell you that you're going to successfully strike a Mind Blanked creature, you are indirectly divinating something about that creature which is not possible.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Fellas? I think you have long passed the point where you should just pack it up and email The Sage. Know what I mean? The possibilities with Mind Blank are endless, so it would seem.

 

[IceBear]

We have...and asked Monte too

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Awesome! So...why are you guys still goin' at it? Besides the fact that you are obviously having fun. Hey, listen. I'm just concerned. I don't want any of my fellow gamers here suffering from a sudden case of synaptic overload.

 

[IceBear]

Well, to get my post count back up over 1000 like it was on the old boards

That and it's such a rarity that Karinsdad and I agree about anything

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Well, to get my post count back up over 1000 like it was on the old boards

That and it's such a rarity that Karinsdad and I agree about anything

IceBear

Man...you got a long way to go.

 

[KarinsDad]

Well, to get my post count back up over 1000 like it was on the old boards

That and it's such a rarity that Karinsdad and I agree about anything

IceBear

No kidding!

 

[Zenon]

So, how does True Strike find an invisible target or a target in a Fog spell? It says in the True Strike spell that it negates the concealment miss chance, so how can it do that if if is not targeting the target?

It divines from the future of the caster the result of where he swings.

The flip side of this coin is "How do you determine which divination spells work and which do not?"

That easy, consult the Mind Blank spell: Any item or spell which "detect, influence or read emotion or thoughts"

To me, the simple answer is:

Those that affect the protected target in anyway are affected by Mind Blank.

Those that do not affect the protected target in anyway are not affected by Mind Blank.


Otherwise, you open a whole can of worms at the gaming table as to "can I use this divination spell?", "can I use that one?".

Mind Blank only states it protect from divination that gather information, refering to emotion, thoughts. mind Blank specifically states that it defeats Scrying, it does not state that about all divinations.

You need some criteria to differentiate between divinations that are protected against and ones which are not. To me, the differentiator is whether the divination can be used to do anything to the target (even harm him, even find out information about him). YMMV.

That's true for the most part, however, if you start claiming that is defeats See Invisibilty, which is a spell which detects if a Illusion (glammer) is cast upon a creature or object, then you are opening a bigger can of worms.

For example:

Detect poison would not reveal poison on their blade if they had Mind Blank (using the divinations against the person or object he carry will fail) as would Detect Magic verus items they are carrying, which is specifically against the "one creature" target in Mind Blank.

Like I said, each side has good arguments. I'm waiting to see what the designers say before setting it in stone in my games....

 

[kreynolds]

Detect poison would not reveal poison on their blade if they had Mind Blank...

Why do you say that? After all, you aren't detecting their mind, just their blade. And their blade isn't protected by Mind Blank, just their mind. The spell seems pretty specific in that it only protects your mind. I could be wrong, probably not , but I could be wrong.

Oh NOW look! You guys got me sucked into this!