Mirror Image vs. Cleave

[KarinsDad]

Doesn't Combat Brute only trigger when you destroy a weapon or shield?

It does. I didn't look it up, I was just wondering why we were talking about Sundering and suspected that someone would lead up to the:

1) Sunder
2) Cleave Image

arrangement with it. Even sundering a weapon, you still could not then use Combat Brute to Cleave an image, only the caster.

 

[Nail]

....no quote or reference from the rules has been given which states that the duplicates created by a mirror image spell can not be cleaved.......

Sigg, you've said this before, and it's no more true now than when you first wrote it. The quote or reference you are seeking is in the feat. In brief, you must cleave "off" of an attack on a creature. If you wish, someone could quote the relevant text. And again, as quoted (etc), a figment is not a creature. Q.E.D.

I do understand quite well how the cleave feat is used.

No, you don't. I'm not being snarky here; you just haven't thought through how the feat is used in play. See Hyper's post.

 

[KarinsDad]

How do you cinematically describe dropping a goblin ten feet to the north with a longspear, and Cleaving into the goblin ten feet to the south, when your allies stand to the east and west, as 'following through on a swing'?

Especially in a 6 foot tall room.

I had a player quit 3E after a few games because he could not cinematically understand how you could be attacking someone 10 feet in front of you with your longspear and then AoO someone 10 feet behind you with it. It broke his suspension of disbelief to the point that he got angry about it (especially when he was the guy "behind the enemy").

 

[Nail]

Sure.

To some extent, I understand your former player's concern and frustration, KD. Then again, I also like rule-sets that simplify where possible. Generally, d20 satisfies both "suspension of disbelief" and "simplicity" for me.

Quite clearly, YMMV.

 

[Shadowdweller]

How do you cinematically describe dropping a goblin ten feet to the north with a longspear, and Cleaving into the goblin ten feet to the south, when your allies stand to the east and west, as 'following through on a swing'?

To use an oft-encountered argument amongst you damned hyperliteralists: Magic. It doesn't HAVE to make sense.

 

[Hypersmurf]

To use an oft-encountered argument amongst you damned hyperliteralists: Magic. It doesn't HAVE to make sense.

And in an antimagic field?

-Hyp.

 

[Sigg]

How do you cinematically describe dropping a goblin ten feet to the north with a longspear, and Cleaving into the goblin ten feet to the south, when your allies stand to the east and west, as 'following through on a swing'?

-Hyp.

I can't. I didn't say cleaving with a longspear made sense, I'm simply saying that the description of the cleave feat states quite clearly that it's following through from a powerful attack. I didn't write it.

 

[Nail]

I can't.

If your interpretation doesn't work.....why not change your interpretation?

 

[Shadowdweller]

And in an antimagic field?

Obviously, Cleave doesn't work.

By the RAW there's nothing to suggest it's not a Supernatural ability. Other than common sense which we can't use by fiat.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Obviously, Cleave doesn't work.

By the RAW there's nothing to suggest it's not a Supernatural ability. Other than common sense which we can't use by fiat.

I'm away from my books... but doesn't it say somewhere that unless stated otherwise (like Exalted feats, for example), feats are Extraordinary abilities?

-Hyp.