MM II Identity Parade

[darjr]

There was a thread around here asking people what they wanted to see in MMII from the fiend folio.

I got in late and others already mentioned many of my favorites, except the Retriever. I got my wish. The Retriever is even in the second round of voting in WotC's competition. Now it's facing the Remorhaz...

 

[Inyssius]

Duerger - Thunderspire.

Half of the duergar. And I've reason to believe that even some of that half may be different; note that the Miner--the only duergar minion in Thunderspire--is gone from the MM2, and the Hellcaller is from a different tier than the Thunderspire guys (which is usually verboten, as MM group-entries usually describe a single level spread).

 

[Primal]

'Insane Noble'... that was a joke, right?

If that's true, flumphs may seem their title as the worst monster ever published...

 

[Holy Bovine]

There's no flumph on that list!!!

WotC is dead to me.

Dude, WotC released the flumph for free over a month ago. Check out the D&D April Fool's dungeon delve.

Dungeon Delve: Fool's Grove

I love the fact it is actually a decent monster too.

 

[Dannager]

'Insane Noble'... that was a joke, right?

If that's true, flumphs may seem their title as the worst monster ever published...

I think what we're looking at is a nobleman corrupted and twisted by the Far Realm into something mad and frightening. Just a prediction I've seen bandied about, though.

 

[Primal]

I think what we're looking at is a nobleman corrupted and twisted by the Far Realm into something mad and frightening. Just a prediction I've seen bandied about, though.

So every insane human nobleman is a level 23 "monster" corrupted by the Far Realms? Uh, I can see players going (after a couple of years): "Oh NO! the BBEG is... an INSANE NOBLEMAN! Run for your lives!".

[sarcasm] I wonder why they dropped the 'Joking Jester', 'Belching Baron', 'Corrupted Count' and 'Delirious Duke' from the list, or maybe they'll be in MM 3? [/sarcasm]

 

[Inyssius]

So every insane human nobleman is a level 23 "monster" corrupted by the Far Realms?

Of course they are. And every human guardsman is level 3. Every single one. Even the angelic city of Hestavar's Bright Guard. You wondered how the Obsidian Dagger kept pulling off these horrible crimes in the middle of a divine metropolis ruled by not one but three greater gods? I'll clue you in: from low wind to latter doldrums, the human Exalted are on shift.

 

[Klaus]

So every insane human nobleman is a level 23 "monster" corrupted by the Far Realms? Uh, I can see players going (after a couple of years): "Oh NO! the BBEG is... an INSANE NOBLEMAN! Run for your lives!".

[sarcasm] I wonder why they dropped the 'Joking Jester', 'Belching Baron', 'Corrupted Count' and 'Delirious Duke' from the list, or maybe they'll be in MM 3? [/sarcasm]

Not anymore than every human mage is a Level 4 character...

These are just descriptive names. They could very well have used "Far Realm-Corrupted Nobleman", but thought that was a mouthful...

 

[OchreJelly]

Arbalester B.een all over the place - Draconomicon, Thunderspire - or Dungeon, I'm not sure.
Behir - Dungeon
Duerger - Thunderspire.
Firbolg - Dungeon
Ice Troll - Trollhaunt
Nothic - Trollhaunt
Troll VineSpeaker - Trollhaunt
Will-O-Wisp - Trollhaunt
Yochlol Tempter - Demon Queen's Enclave.

And there's even more still. I'm slightly disappointed by this. I didn't think they were going to do much reprinting in this edition... ah well. That being said, there are some pretty important monsters that folks w/o the modules would probably want.

 

[Nebulous]

Easy, people, easy!

Yes, the 4e MM1 was heavy on crunch and light on fluff. Fiery Dragon took another route with the 4e Creature Collection, where the "Lore" entries are often the biggest part of a monster entry. When the MM2 comes out, we'll see how it compares to the MM1 and the CC.

i'll have to second the 4e Creature Collection. For those of you wanting fat descriptions of monster and their role in the world, pick up the CC. You'll like it. And the statblocks are damn solid too.