MM II Identity Parade

[Voadam]

I thought the succubus had killed the erinyes and took her stuff since we didn't need two beautiful fiends differentiated by their alignment team and whether their wings were batlike or feathery.

Glad to see the reports of her death were premature.

Hopefully there will be a good demogorgon/dagon description section.

 

[I'm A Banana]

I thought the succubus had killed the erinyes and took her stuff since we didn't need two beautiful fiends differentiated by their alignment team and whether their wings were batlike or feathery.

Glad to see the reports of her death were premature.

My guess (hope?) is that we're seeing more of a "furies" type of fiend, all feathers and rage and harassing you for killing your brother.

 

[Voadam]

But default D&D only has an implied PoL setting. And the monsters only have an implied PoL backstory to them. Little bit of description, little bit of lore. And that's good enough for me. In fact, I'd be almost insulted if they gave much more fluff in the MM. It would be a waste of paper and my money. I make my own setting, thank you very much. When I play Eberron or the Realms, I'll take a look at their sphinxes. But until then the designers had better not waste pages on crap I'm going to have to weed out in the corebooks.

So what do the Realms books say about their sphinxes? I don't have the 4e Realms books, but I know their trio of 4e books are all out and they plan to not do any more. Does the Campaign guide include this type of monster info? If you want to use a sphinx in your realms game is there anything to flesh them out more than the MM entry?

 

[Voadam]

My guess (hope?) is that we're seeing more of a "furies" type of fiend, all feathers and rage and harassing you for killing your brother.

We'll see what the lore section says.

 

[Primal]

Of course they are. And every human guardsman is level 3. Every single one. Even the angelic city of Hestavar's Bright Guard. You wondered how the Obsidian Dagger kept pulling off these horrible crimes in the middle of a divine metropolis ruled by not one but three greater gods? I'll clue you in: from low wind to latter doldrums, the human Exalted are on shift.

No, I can get the idea behind "typical" guardsmen/nobles/innkeepers, and I do not equate such examples as "written in stone". Rather, my comment was a sarcastic one, because that's a waste of pages in my books, if you need to stat out insane, corrupted noblemen as level 23 monsters. Also, I find the concept a bit silly for a MM entry... a typical/average nobleman would be alright, but this one feels just as laughable as 'Insane Innkeeper' or 'Mad Hatter' (with his mad, cool 'Hat Trick'-power ) or 'Belching Bartender' and so on.

As to Hestavar, it's in a DDi-article, right? Sorry, can't comment on it, because I don't have a subscription.

 

[Belphanior]

So what do the Realms books say about their sphinxes? I don't have the 4e Realms books, but I know their trio of 4e books are all out and they plan to not do any more. Does the Campaign guide include this type of monster info? If you want to use a sphinx in your realms game is there anything to flesh them out more than the MM entry?

It was not an example to be taken literally. I don't have the Realms books either so I wouldn't know what they say about sphinxes. I do know the 3e Eberron books included details about many critters, often with wildly different fluff than is default assumed (e.g. drow, dragons, all aberrations). I assume the 4e Eberron books will do the same, and other settings too where necessary.

Point remains that too much fluff in the MM feels like a waste to me.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

and harassing you for killing your brother.

They don't even have proof for that.

Mustrum "Actually, I never had a brother" Ridcully

 

[Dice4Hire]

Presumably Eldritch Giants, Neogis and the Primordial Colossus. Maybe a demon or a devil, but other than that it appears a tad 'epic-lite'.

Can someone with the book confirm this is or is not the case? Thanks.

Also did they make Demogorgon Level 34?

MMI
Level 21-25: 49 monsters
Level 26-30: 24 monsters
Level 31+: 1 monster

MMII
Level 21-25: 34 monsters
Level 26-30: 14 monsters
Level 31+: 2 monsters

And yes, The big guy is 34,

 

[Phaezen]

MMI
Level 21-25: 49 monsters
Level 26-30: 24 monsters
Level 31+: 1 monster

MMII
Level 21-25: 34 monsters
Level 26-30: 14 monsters
Level 31+: 2 monsters

And yes, The big guy is 34,

The other 31+ appears to be Dagon weighing in at lv 31 if my sources are correct

 

[Rechan]

Ooh, ooh, Dice4hire, I have some questions!

What level are the Spriggans?

What's the level and role of the following:
Barghests
Ambush Vine
Bloodthorn Vine
Greenvise Vine
Umbral Sprite Storm

What's a Wood Woad? A Fell Taint? I notice quite a few things with the term "Shard" (Death Shard, Storm Shard, Prismatic shard). What are Shards?

Any low level devils/demons (aside from the Dretch)?

How Badass is Demogorgon?

What's your favorite monster?