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[BryonD]

I have seen the book, I got it last week and have spent a lot of time with it, more so than any D&D book I can think of in years.

Is Lolth's sting just a regular Drow Ninja? (4th level even?)

 

[Shemeska]

I have seen the book, I got it last week and have spent a lot of time with it, more so than any D&D book I can think of in years.

So then if you're willing to spill the beans and alter folks' pre-forming opinions... care to detail the demons and yugoloths that appear in the book, and perhaps the 'concordant killer' as well? *flutter of lashes*

rather than a book full of spectral bladed prismatic demonoids that live on the 663rd layer of the Abyss and never come to the Material Plane. (Gee, thanks! )

Hey, some of us would buy that with a grin on our face

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[Kunimatyu]

That could be cool.If Lolth's Sting has something unique to it, then it can still be cool. If it is nothing but a Drow Ninja 4 stepped right off the DDM card, well, that would seem a waste of paper.

Dude, don't you get it? They've been seeding D&D releases since Angelfire(I think?) with the new MM4 stuff.

 

[Glyfair]

Everything else, I'm indifferent to, at least initially.

The Vitreous Drinker I find enticing. It's an undead servant of Vecna that steals creatures ability to see with their tongue (OK, that sounds pretty lame here, but it actually reads pretty interesting).

However, I already have the completely monster from the GTM excerpt. Still, if enough of the creatures interest me like this, I'll invest in the book.

The statblocks sound interesting, but I'd rather have it in a PDF file (one of the few things I'd prefer there) than in this book. The lairs, etc. I'll judge when I get a chance to see it.

 

[coyote6]

What's the Official Release Date (TM) for MMIV?

 

[d20Dwarf]

Is Lolth's sting just a regular Drow Ninja? (4th level even?)

I can't answer specific content questions, sorry about that.

 

[Felon]

Egads! I count only 73 unique creatures (not counting MM critters with class levels, sample templated creatures, and advanced versions of monsters).

To put that in perspective, that is only 30 more unique creatures than Draconomicon, 35 more than the Miniatures Handbook, and 36 less than the wafer-thin Monsters of Faerun!

So, that's twice the critters of Monsters of Faerun, plus a ton of other useful stuff? Cool.

I wouldn't mind seeing a book like that either. I'd rather it not be a "monster manual."

Why? What's in a name? Why call a book full of monsters anything but a monster manual?

A part of me wants a monster book to be a treasure trove of outre monsters, with me the DM poring over the book for just that perfect little-known monster for a scenario I'm whipping. However, from a rational perspective, how many outre monsters am I really going to wind up using?

OK, they could have played a little trick that's worked on some of us in previous books: take a monster, beef it up just like it could have been beefed-up with class levels, but don't regard it as such. That's how we got our skullcrusher ogres and war trolls and kelvezu demons and alkhezar [sic] rakshasas and so many other creatures.

I like seeing a return to the classic critters. These are the guys I use.

 

[Glyfair]

Why? What's in a name? Why call a book full of monsters anything but a monster manual?

Tradition. Back when companies could actually sell a product of nothing but monster stats and the like that had names like "Monster & Treasure Assortment." There is an assumption about what a "Monster Manual" entails, and it doesn't really fit that.

Sure, it might be a good idea and a quality product. Just give it a name to differentiate it from the "baggage" associated with the name.

 

[Felon]

Tradition. Back when companies could actually sell a product of nothing but monster stats and the like that had names like "Monster & Treasure Assortment." There is an assumption about what a "Monster Manual" entails, and it doesn't really fit that.

/shrug

After the MMIV comes out, there'll be a new tradition and revised assumptions. I'm glad to see the basic format evolve. I recall when folks complained that templated monsters were regarded as gyps. Now most folks accept them--some would complain if there were no new templates.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Personally I think the best place for Monsters with class levels especially ones already in the MM, is on the website.

Only time will tell which monsters from this book will stick and how well it'll do as a monster book, and so far the Fiend Folio has been the best non-core monster book.