Monks, Flurry, Evasion, and Multiclassing...

[Kemrain]

Two questions, really... and they've prolly been asked repeatedly... but then I can't afford the search function yet, so...

I know a Rogue 4/ Barbarian 2 has Uncanny Dodge (Can't Be Flanked), because uncannt dodge stacks... But what about Evasion? Does a Rogue 2/ Monk 2 get Improved Evasion? Do they stack as well?

Also, that Rogue 2/ Monk 2 gets flurry of blows, but in 3eR it's not just "-2 to all attacks for an extra one at your highest bonus, whee!", it has it's own table! I'm confused as to how this would work. Does my +1 BAB from Rogue 2 get added to that, and the penalty is simply not reduced at the same rate? How does this work?!

- Kemrain the Conjurer. "Hypersmurf, Hypersmurf, Hypersmurf!"

 

[Vurt]

I know a Rogue 4/ Barbarian 2 has Uncanny Dodge (Can't Be Flanked), because uncannt dodge stacks... But what about Evasion? Does a Rogue 2/ Monk 2 get Improved Evasion? Do they stack as well?

Although I can't cite a reference to this, I'm pretty sure two Evasions don't stack to give you Improved Evasion. I've only seen that happen with Uncanny Dodge, and the ability is very strong for a 4th level character.

Also, that Rogue 2/ Monk 2 gets flurry of blows, but in 3eR it's not just "-2 to all attacks for an extra one at your highest bonus, whee!", it has it's own table! I'm confused as to how this would work. Does my +1 BAB from Rogue 2 get added to that, and the penalty is simply not reduced at the same rate? How does this work?!

If you read the monk description for flurry it mentions that you apply -2 to all your attacks unless your monk is 5th level, at which the penalty is reduced to -1, and then to -0 at 9th level. The table is just there for easy reference if you're not multiclassing. As for the +1 BAB from rogue adding in there, I would assume so, since it's essentially the same mechanic as Rapid Shot, but I am not 100% sure.

And so I too will chant "Hypersmurf! Hypersmurf! Hypersmurf!..."

Cheers,
Vurt

 

[Voadam]

Two questions, really... and they've prolly been asked repeatedly... but then I can't afford the search function yet, so...

I know a Rogue 4/ Barbarian 2 has Uncanny Dodge (Can't Be Flanked), because uncannt dodge stacks... But what about Evasion? Does a Rogue 2/ Monk 2 get Improved Evasion? Do they stack as well?

Also, that Rogue 2/ Monk 2 gets flurry of blows, but in 3eR it's not just "-2 to all attacks for an extra one at your highest bonus, whee!", it has it's own table! I'm confused as to how this would work. Does my +1 BAB from Rogue 2 get added to that, and the penalty is simply not reduced at the same rate? How does this work?!

- Kemrain the Conjurer. "Hypersmurf, Hypersmurf, Hypersmurf!"

Uncanny dodge has special provisions for stacking levels to get higher uncanny dodge, evasion does not. Multiclassing does not get you evasion any earlier.

In 3e monks who multiclassed had a special condition, here is the text from the 3.0 srd.

Monk
Base Attack Bonus: The monk is a special case because her additional unarmed attacks are better than her base attack bonus would suggest. For a multiclass monk fighting unarmed, the character must either use the additional attacks given for her monk levels (only) or the additional attacks that are standard for her combined base attack bonus, but not both.

Note that the special attack chart is independent of the flurry of blows ability, it replaces their normal BAB iterative attacks and flurry of blows can go on top of that.

 

[Altamont Ravenard]

Note that the special attack chart is independent of the flurry of blows ability, it replaces their normal BAB iterative attacks and flurry of blows can go on top of that.

What?

The "Flurry of blows attack bonus" does not count the extra attacks granted by flurry of blows? Or are you talking about 3.0? Yeah, that must be it...

For multiclassed monkX/otherY using flurry of blows, I'd go with the following method:

Find out on the Flurry of Blows attack chart how many attacks you can make at your level X. Add to those figures the BAB that your other class at level Y gives you (if your other class BAB grants you iterative attacks, only take the highest number). Example, monk 10 rogue 10

Monk 10 with flurry of blows: +7/+7/+2
Rogue 10 BAB: +7/+2
Highest number from Rogue 10 BAB: +7
Monk 10 / Rogue 10 attacking with flurry of blows: +14/+14/+9

Hope this is right

AR

 

[Voadam]

What?

The "Flurry of blows attack bonus" does not count the extra attacks granted by flurry of blows? Or are you talking about 3.0? Yeah, that must be it...

For multiclassed monkX/otherY using flurry of blows, I'd go with the following method:

Find out on the Flurry of Blows attack chart how many attacks you can make at your level X. Add to those figures the BAB that your other class at level Y gives you (if your other class BAB grants you iterative attacks, only take the highest number). Example, monk 10 rogue 10

Monk 10 with flurry of blows: +7/+7/+2
Rogue 10 BAB: +7/+2
Highest number from Rogue 10 BAB: +7
Monk 10 / Rogue 10 attacking with flurry of blows: +14/+14/+9

Hope this is right

AR

I was talking about 3.0 because I thought that was what the original poster was talking about with the "its own chart" part.

The 3.5 chart simply applies the flurry modifers to a straight classed monk's BAB. To figure it out with multiclassing, add up the BAB and use the modifiers from the flurry description.

From the 3.5 srd:

Flurry of Blows (Ex): When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a –2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round. The resulting modified base attack bonuses are shown in the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus column on Table: The Monk. This penalty applies for 1 round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the monk might make before her next action. When a monk reaches 5th level, the penalty lessens to –1, and at 9th level it disappears. A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.

So for the original poster's Monk 2/Rogue 2 with BAB +2 this would be two attacks at +0/+0.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I know a Rogue 4/ Barbarian 2 has Uncanny Dodge (Can't Be Flanked), because uncannt dodge stacks... But what about Evasion? Does a Rogue 2/ Monk 2 get Improved Evasion? Do they stack as well?

No. Improved Evasion is a separate ability, not a progression of Evasion, despite the name. You get Improved Evasion if you see "Improved Evasion" on your class abilities line

Also, that Rogue 2/ Monk 2 gets flurry of blows, but in 3eR it's not just "-2 to all attacks for an extra one at your highest bonus, whee!", it has it's own table! I'm confused as to how this would work. Does my +1 BAB from Rogue 2 get added to that, and the penalty is simply not reduced at the same rate? How does this work?!

In 3.5, the "own table" is just applying the penalties to the monk BAB as an example. The main reason for the change in Flurry was so that you can easily add your Rogue BAB to your Monk BAB.

So yes, a Monk2/Rogue2 can Flurry at +0/+0.

-Hyp.

 

[Kemrain]

Damb, and Thank you. Makes good sesnse now. Had to be told that the table was just an example. Good idea.

- Kemrain the Pleased That The Summoning Worked.