D&D (2024) Monster manual Fey video up

[Scribe]

Protection from Good and Evil is not related to alignment in any way.

I thought that came up in this thread already? I'll have to go back.

 

[Reynard]

I thought that came up in this thread already? I'll have to go back.

That spell is based entirely on type, not alignment.

 

[Micah Sweet]

D&D's inability to evolve is eventually going to be a real problem.

How so? If people want to play something else, there are a lot of something elses out there. If you mean a real problem for WotC's profit margin, I'm not sure why that's relevant to any of us.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's been observed plenty of times that there are too few creatures of many types of higher CRs, Fey being one of them. Just case in point, the highest CR Fey in a core 5E book is the CR 10 seasonal Eladrin set from MTF/MMPM. There are a few others higher in settings and adventures but if you want a robust set of threats for a high level Fey campaign you'll have to turn elsewhere or make your own.

I'm a fan of new monsters when this problem comes up. I'm sure WotC can do that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

That spell is based entirely on type, not alignment.

Then perhaps they should give it a more accurate name.

 

[dave2008]

There is no way to know how true it is, but I cannot believe the level.of truth in my speculation is zero. I wish I could. But in this situation I just can't see how I'm completely wrong.

To be clear, you want to describe all possible influences for the decisions they make?

Has anyone, let alone any company done that? It seems to me that is an unrealistic requirement and one you place when you want someone to fail.

 

[Micah Sweet]

To be clear, you want to describe all possible influences for the decisions they make?

Has anyone, let alone any company done that? It seems to me that is an unrealistic requirement and one you place when you want someone to fail.

This influence seems obvious to me. Persisting in not acknowledging it seems disingenuous to me.

 

[I'm A Banana]

There is no way to know how true it is, but I cannot believe the level.of truth in my speculation is zero. I wish I could. But in this situation I just can't see how I'm completely wrong.

This is how conspiracy theories flourish.

A large, complicated entity does something to break your trust in it.

So, understandably, you don't trust it.

Then the large, complicated entity does something, and gives you a reason for it.

And you just...substitute your own...and declare it unfalsifiable. Doesn't matter what they actually say, it's all for some hidden agenda.

But I don't need to be psychic and read their true intentions to have an opinion on the design that they're presenting. I'm not Santa Claus. I don't need to know the hidden darkness in their hearts to determine if this design meets the needs for my game. The truth is that no one will ever know all of the true nuances that go into these decisions. All we have in history is the context we have access to, and we never have access to ALL the context.

I see no game or design benefit to it, which means to me this is a "If it ain't broke" situation.

No, it's broke. Creature types have been awkward fits for a number of creatures since they were introduced in 3e. Hell, earlier, since rangers have favored enemy ("Giant-class" was never clear-cut!). Types themselves have always been kind of kludgy, based in little more than vibes, and mechanically about as relevant as alignment. The conversation around what creatures make good PC's has always been a bit of a tempest, because of how significant a creature can be when used by a PC, in comparison to other PC's, especially once they can also take class levels. These are all perfectly cromulent design spaces for an edition refresh.

I don't want to get into it beyond suggesting that I don't think most of this creature type stuff would be happening if there wasn't a good amount of community and social media activity in recent years about the place of orcs and drow in D&D.

Why does it matter if this is the origin of the design? Does it change the effect of the design on the game as a whole? If it's good (and I think that it is pretty good!), AND it helps remedy the strong racism vibes in some of the humanoids, is that not just....even better?

 

[DarkCrisis]

That spell is based entirely on type, not alignment.

Just looked this up. Wow, yeah just change the name.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Just looked this up. Wow, yeah just change the name.

... has been that way for 10 years...