Monsters new to 3E?

[Glyfair]

Wasnt the frost worm mentioned (maybe 1e, possibly 2e...dont recall at the moment) as a variant of the purple worm (basically a cold-dwelling version of said monster).

MMI mentions a Mottled Worm, an aquatic variation (as does the 2E Monstrous Compendium). I see no mention of a cold variation (the 2e source has the tenebrous worm, a shadow worm). If a frost variation is mentioned, it must be in some secondary source.

 

[Grazzt]

MMI mentions a Mottled Worm, an aquatic variation (as does the 2E Monstrous Compendium). I see no mention of a cold variation (the 2e source has the tenebrous worm, a shadow worm). If a frost variation is mentioned, it must be in some secondary source.

Ya. In 1e the tenebrous worm was a form of the gloomwing (IIRC).

 

[diaglo]

Wasnt the frost worm mentioned (maybe 1e, possibly 2e...dont recall at the moment) as a variant of the purple worm (basically a cold-dwelling version of said monster).

the Ice Worm was in Supplement IV (1976) Gods, Demigods, & Heroes... iirc, it was updated also in the DDG (1980)

This entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allip) says the Allip appeared in MC 1. (cant check as Im at work and dont have my stuff readily available.)

i seem to recall the Allip was in a Ravenloft product too.

 

[diaglo]

Ya. In 1e the tenebrous worm was a form of the gloomwing (IIRC).

it was also in the MM 2 (1983)

 

[diaglo]

MMI mentions a Mottled Worm, an aquatic variation (as does the 2E Monstrous Compendium). I see no mention of a cold variation (the 2e source has the tenebrous worm, a shadow worm). If a frost variation is mentioned, it must be in some secondary source.

older source.

 

[Glyfair]

the Ice Worm was in Supplement IV (1976) Gods, Demigods, & Heroes... iirc, it was updated also in the DDG (1980)

Well, it is a worm that is cold oriented and based on the purple worm. Given half the entry is about an ability this monster has (a hypnotizing game that causes you to walk into its mouth), I'm not sure it can really count as the same monster (in fact, it has no ice powers, being identical to a purple worm except for that ability).

 

[Ripzerai]

the Ice Worm was in Supplement IV (1976) Gods, Demigods, & Heroes... iirc, it was updated also in the DDG (1980)

DDG has a creature called the Snow Serpent, but calling it the same monster as the frost worm is a stretch; the Snow Serpent is furry and has no sonic or cold attacks, nor a breath weapon, nor the death throes ability.

This entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allip) says the Allip appeared in MC 1. (cant check as Im at work and dont have my stuff readily available.)

The Wikipedia article is incorrect. There's nothing called an "allip" in Monstrous Compendium One. I can't vouch for Ravenloft sources.

I don't think arrowhawks were in previous editions, either. I used to think they were, but I was confusing them with the saasin from the appendix in the PSMCIII, which is a very different monster.

 

[diaglo]

Well, it is a worm that is cold oriented and based on the purple worm. Given half the entry is about an ability this monster has (a hypnotizing game that causes you to walk into its mouth), I'm not sure it can really count as the same monster (in fact, it has no ice powers, being identical to a purple worm except for that ability).

you've got a better source than me. i'm doing this off the top of my head. and i suck at the rules. i don't even know what the current frost worm does.

i was just providing a possible source that i could remember with a similar name. ice=frost and worm=worm

i'm thinking the phoenix/phenix/firebird probably isn't going to match enough for you for the arrowhawk too, right?

 

[diaglo]

DDG has a creature called the Snow Serpent, but calling it the same monster as the frost worm is a stretch; the Snow Serpent is furry and has no sonic or cold attacks, nor a breath weapon, nor the death throes ability.

yeah, that was the one i was remembering as the possible update. i guess they didn't update it then from OD&D

 

[Echohawk]

The Wikipedia article is incorrect. There's nothing called an "allip" in Monstrous Compendium One. I can't vouch for Ravenloft sources.

I'm pretty confident that the allip didn't appear in any Ravenloft source. As far as I can tell, allips are new to 3rd Edition.