More info on ENTERPRISE's new direction... (!!spoiler-thingies!!)

Funny thing, actually, that it was Big Gene Roddenbury that introduced time travel and its ramifications in TOS in a number of episodes making the use of it in ST development canon. To follow ST canon, and because of the time travel episodes including three in TOS, you'd really have to make some decisions about what events that have been mentioned ever even took place. Ask Joan Collins and she probably can't even remember being on the show. What began as a nod to UFO spotters (and a way to reduce costume and set budgets) with the Enterprise coming back, being spotted in orbit and interacting US Air Force personel set in motion the very thing that people seem to decry as untrue to the vision of the guy who added it to the bag of design tricks. By introducing it then, he was making it incumbant ipon developers of future parts of the ST universe to ignore much of what was previously done.

The Romulan Wars, the Klingon conflicts, and World War III, the Eugenics Wars have all been casually tossed in during the run of the shows (and movies) to give some feeling history to a universe that is fiction. Let's als mention the list of scientific discoveries or advancements that are sometimes trotted out to build a foundation of ages (you know, the ones that usually begin with one that is real, one that mentions a person on a Mars colony, then one that mentions an alien race.) Even the fiction that is created in later series such as the whole arc involving Tasha Yar is not only necessary but likely to go away. Part of ST fiction is the possibility that at any single moment all of ST's fiction of history can change, not in spite of it, but because of it. It has to be noted that a true ST canon adherent would require that almost all of it change to be true to the vision.

It is the nature of ST canon to disallow itself, if not in whole then at least to a great degree.

Funny thing that the people who complain about what ST has become, and that it should be more like it was (with not even a hint of repeating itself), don't seem to realize it is not only just what it was, but what it has to be to have been what it was becoming what it is.

:confused:

:p

If you really love ST and ST canon, you have to be willing to ignore it.


Along a similar vein, here's a review of an interesting book on ST -

http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_2945.html
 

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As usual with Trek threads, Mark has now forced me to respond... ;)

Continuity.

It has been toyed with. It has been manipulated. In some cases it is ignored and in other it is stretched beyond reason. Kinda feels like another piece of entertainment, ya know? Comic books. Ever read one that has been around for around 30 years? Sometimes the stories don't jive, right?

There have been 25 (and growing) seasons of Trek, consisting of at least 20 episodes per season splashed over 5 different shows plus 10 feature films. That's over 500 separate episodes. Now, most comic fans will agree that any individual comic is probably more like a third or half of one hour of a TV show (on average). Let's use one half for the sake of arguement. If you add all that up and you assume one issue of this fictional comic comes out per month we would be over 80 years in the making at this point (not even counting the feature films).

Multiple writers, different visions, different series and the like have all contributed to the somewhat scattered continuity of Trek. But considering all that there is of it they haven't done such a bad job. Most comics around for that long (say 30+ years) have so many different arcs/spinoffs or versions that it's almost impossible to distinguish what the "real" storyline is anymore.

I have in front of me the "Star Trek Chronology" by the Okuda's. It is current to "First Contact" & season 2 of Voyager (1996). These people aren't just fans, they work on the shows, the films and are considered the source for the "unofficial" Trek Chronology/Continuity (notice the capital letters? :p). What they have put together in the book takes a few liberties, as one would expect, but overall is very well done and accurate. Clocking in at around 300 pages, they don't even really touch on the storylines of the episodes themselves so much as important events in the timeline. It starts with Chapter 1.0 The Distant Past - 15 billion years ago and takes us to 2371 and then as far as the 123rd Century. It also takes into account (outside of the timeline) alternate timelines in another chapter which is an interesting read.

My point is that there is a respectable amount of attention to detail in the Trek Chronology. Now I know that people will (and have been) complaining more about the inconsistancies in Enterprise and even later eps of Voyager. But I guarantee you it's not as bad as you may think. There is SO much in the Trek universe that has been done by so many different folks that I'm surprised that we can even have a timeline this clean.

My advice: Enjoy the stories they are telling. If they seem to tread a bit on your idea of what is Trek canon, wait for the story to end before trying to scrutinize every little detail. There are certain things that happen in Trek, like time travel, that will play havoc with the main timeline. Now with a show set in the past, there is just more chance for error. Now, this book is by no means official but it does make sense. Going by what it says here (and from startrek.com) the Romulan Wars begin 5 years after the first mission of Enterprise. The book does note that the date is conjecture to TOS ep "Balance of Terror." EDIT: The Wars end in 2160 and the Federation is formed the year after. So we are seeing a fairly critical point in the history of Earth/Starfleet/The Federation. The only point of contention with the current plans for Enterprise would be that we should at the very least hear something about the Romulan Wars before the series (assumed) 7 year run concludes. According to this book, the Wars would happen (if one season = one year) around the very end of season 4 or even early on in season 6. END EDIT

I could rant on and on about this. But I'll spare all of you. Basically, the chapter about the 22nd Century is pretty spartan (barely 5 pages). There is alot of history that can be thrown in there. And as for using things such as the Borg in Enterprise (which by the way I am on the fence about, but I will hold judgement until viewing the episode) I have little problem with that. Enterprise's ratings (Trek in general) have been plummeting. If it takes an old foe to spark a little interest in what is gearing up to be a very entertaining season finale (in a few eps) then so be it. The Enterprise folks have done nothing so far to shatter what has been previously established in Trek canon. They have made many stretches but can you really blame them?

All in all, I am looking forward to the coming course correction.
 
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I have many problems with ENT. I enjoy the show, but it's
nowwhere close to be one of my fav shows. I don't feel bad
in any way over missing an episode like I do over other shows
like Buffy/Angel or Alias.

That said, I watch a lot of TV that I group with ENT in it's level
of entertainment. Like Law & Order and The Dead Zone. Shows
I kinda like, but don't feel crazy about. I don't have any problems
with those, really, they just don't rock my boat as much.

So why does ENT feel different than those shows? Potential.
ENT has everything to make a great show, but it's just dabbling
in mediocrisity. It's kinda fun, but could be frickin' brilliant! If they'd
just really explore the premise of the show.

Now, the continuity problems. I've never had much problem with
them dabbling in the socalled 'established' continuity. The thing is
that the majority of the facts that people look at as 'canon' aren't.
They are nothing but fan speculation of things hinted at in the
series or taken from encyclopedias, which btw, are not canon and
carry not only a lot of data from the novels, but is largely made up
by the authors themselves (like the majority of the techological
stuff).

Of course, there have been violations, most notable is the Rommie
cloak-thingy. But overall, not as much as people like to think.
 

Lets see, going to have them do a single mission story arc, can you say Crusade clone? How about Yamato (Star Blazers) season one? Thats real original. :rolleyes:
 

KenM said:
Lets see, going to have them do a single mission story arc, can you say Crusade clone? How about Yamato (Star Blazers) season one? Thats real original. :rolleyes:
Or maybe they are just carrying on the Trek tradition....

"Our five year mission, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before."

Okay, while not specifically a single mission it is still in the spirit of Trek. It's also a sci-fi/fantasy staple. No need to criticize.
 


Anyone ever read any Barry Longyear? Specifically, "Enemy Mine" or any of the other "drac" stories?

In these stories, there's a species that humanity is at war with. This race refers to itself as the "Sindie". Strong phoenetic respemblance to the "Xindi" that we'll see in Enterprise. I find myself wondering that with the thematic similarity, if this is a nod to Longyear, and/or a foreshadowing of future events in the series....
 

I like the idea of this course-correction. I always thought that the finale of the series would be when Captain Archer helps establish the United Federation of Planets (2161, wasn't it?).
 

mojo1701 said:
I like the idea of this course-correction. I always thought that the finale of the series would be when Captain Archer helps establish the United Federation of Planets (2161, wasn't it?).
Hmmm, according to startrek.com Enterprise's first mission was in 2151 which means that 10 years will have to pass. We could see it, but only if they break the season=year mold. It would be cool to see altho if Enterprise become more popular I would like to see it as a movie. Tis a huge event.
 

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