D&D General My GM has changed the setting, now its set in Narnia but use's the DAD rules and all 5 Pcs are The 4th child of A Noble that support Caspian

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JMISBEST

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The GM of my group has had a great, in his opinion, on the other hand I find it so ridiculous that I'm impressed that my response to his idea wasn't laughing in his face

The GM's idea was to change the setting, so that set in Narnia but use's the DAD rules and all 5 Pcs are The 4th child of A Noble that secretly supports Caspian but unlike their fathers The 5 Pcs won't settle for secretly supporting Caspian, which would ensure that no matter who wins the winner will class their families as allies, rather they are openly fighting for Caspian against Miraz

The GM very foolishly, and I will admit that the fact that he'd had several pints of some alcohol likely played a very large part, that theirs 5 rather strange reasons for running this campaign

The 1st reason is so that The Pcs can ally with creatures like Minotaurs, Ogres, Bugbears, Werewolves, Goblins, most Giants, all Drow that aren't evil, but they can be evil and Orcs whilst still being, in the eyes of the goods, being among the followers of good, but I will admit that in all likelihood things like Minotaurs, Ogres, Bugbears, Werewolves, Goblins, most Giants, all Drow that aren't chaotic, but they can be evil, and Orcs are still evil but Miraz forces are so great that the only way they will have a chance is those that would normal attack each other on sight work together, the enemy of my enemy is my friends

The 2nd reason is that he likes the idea that even though Miraz is evil and Caspian and his allies, including The Pcs, are good Miraz has convinced all Telmermine Nobles and most Telmerines Commoners that he/King Miraz is good and Caspian and his allies, including The Pcs, are evil

Need I point out that even though A Large part of Miraz ruling council don't like him this is A cross-over RPG, meaning that if Miraz Ch is very high and most of his ruling Council have both A INT of 9 or 10 and A Wis of 9 or 10 then even though most of them don't like him he should find it easy to get them to side with him in order to protect the country from insurgents?

The 3rd reason is that he wants to use the attack on Miraz castle from The Film but do it in a way that even though The Narnians are found out and they have to try to get to safety but thanks to The Pcs most of them escape alive, I estimate that in The Film between 63% and 67% of The Narnians that take part in the attack on Miraz castle die but The GM says in this RPG cross-over idea roughly 70.2% of The Narnians that take part in the attack on Miraz castle survive but roughly 53.1% of the survivors will be so badly injured that they will be unable to take part in the final battle

The 4th is that Peter actually does decide that the situations so bad, The GM's thinking is that even though most that died the attack on Miraz castle in the film will live in this cross over doesn't mean that their injuries don't mean their unable to fight in the final battle and The GM's planning to ensure that happens by having Peter, Edmund, Susan and Lucy appear in The Forest of The Lantern, this is the place that in The Books, can't remember if its name is mentioned in the film, is known as Lanterns Waste, not the ruins of their former Castle, this way their won't be time to get their, get Lucy's life saving Elixer and get back in time to prevent Miraz winning, that they must resurrect The White Witch and in return for her giving him her word that she won't kill any of his family, friends, followers or innocent Termines he gives her his word that niether he nor his brother or either of his 2 sisters will kill her

The 5th reason is so that he can add in a scene were Peters telling Aslan about The Deal that in the desperation of his darkest hour he felt that in order to have a chance of winning he had to make with at the time undead but now living White Witch, Aslan gets very annoyed, trust me any Lion being that gets that angry is going to so dangerous that theirs a good chance that even Peter would be so scared that he'd wet himself but A Lion like Aslan being that angry?, the thoughts so scary that even thinking about it scares me a little

But then Aslan quickly calms down, likely because he knows Peter well enough to know that Peter will have deliberately made or included a loop hole that will allow them to kill The White Witch, Peter then reveals that he did include a loop hold that will let them kill The White Witch and the loop hole is that he deliberately worded the deal with The White Witch so that she can be killed as long as the person that kills her isn't either him, his brother or either of his 2 sister
 
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JMISBEST

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T-shirts for blue whales, maybe.
I hope for your sake that when you posted that you weren't aware that because of my size, weight and how sensitive I am about my size and weight that I could have very easily been gravely offended by you saying T-shirts for Blue Whales
 

JMISBEST

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This is a bit of a run-on. My biggest problem is that the DM appears to be telling the players how to run their PCs. The world or Narnia is fine for a game world, but railroading the players to fit his story sounds like trouble.
I'll admit that this will be The 1st campaign, this means that before The 4th of next month 2 of The 7 GM's that I know will start running their 1st ever DAD Campaign and both of them will be using 1e, The GM's ever done, which is why either he doesn't know that he's railroading us or he doesn't realize that A GM should never railroad his player/players
 


Ovinomancer

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Is it just me, or are these threads all written by a neural network? They've all got long titles spelling out some wacky idea that is then presented in garbled, run-on sentences with random capitalized words and the all-important numbered list of "reasons"!
Also zero misspelled words. Grammar is all over the place, but not a single mispelling.
 




jgsugden

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So your response is to go on a forum and shame the DM? That is not a great look.

If your DM wants to run a game that does not appeal to you, the proper thing to do is to talk to them respectfully about it. There are a lot of DMs that would rescind their invitation to you to join the game if you spoke like this about them. I don't know if your friend is one of them - but if you were a player at my table, I'd be sitting you down for a private chat and letting you know that this was not an ok way to treat me.
 

This sounds like a DM using their empowerment to form the game to fit their own vision. Why am I getting the impression that some posters here object to it?
 

jgsugden

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This sounds like a DM using their empowerment to form the game to fit their own vision. Why am I getting the impression that some posters here object to it?
Separate the problems.

On one side, a DM is forcing something on their players. Not good, and that is something that should be discussed with the DM in private. However, there is nothing wrong with a DM coming to a group with their vision for a game and seeing how people react to it. In the original post, the player says the DM's "idea", but then goes into odd levels of detail ... so I'm unsure of how much gameplay is in place at this point and how much is backstory - although a lot of it is discussed in terms of plans the DM has.

On the other side, a player in a group went on a public forum and derided, insulted and belittled the DM. That is ridiculously poor behavior from a player in a group.

To me, this looks like a DM having an idea they like for a campaign, the DM sharing it with one or more players, and then the player going on a forum to mock the DM for their interest (while simultaneously demonstrating a lot of knowledge about the underlying campaign idea ... which seems like it is a reasonable basis for the DM to think the player might share the excitement for the idea).
 

CreamCloud0

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While the basic premise seems fine (narnia-verse, a group of royal heirs oppose the crowning of an evil(?) lord) i think the DM by your description sounds too attached to the events of the movie/their own script, there seems to be alot of events that are preplanned to occur and resolve in a certain way if I’m reading that correctly not accounting for the players potential influence on things
 

JMISBEST

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While the basic premise seems fine (narnia-verse, a group of royal heirs oppose the crowning of an evil(?) lord) i think the DM by your description sounds too attached to the events of the movie/their own script, there seems to be alot of events that are preplanned to occur and resolve in a certain way if I’m reading that correctly not accounting for the players potential influence on things
By the time Prince Caspian starts Miraz is already King and The GM decided that Miraz unofficially became King shortly before Caspian turned 3, he officially became King roughly 1 year after Caspian started his education which was roughly 1 year before Cornileus became his teacher and The GM's ruled that at the time The Film starts Caspians roughly 14 years, 7 months old, by Narnian time the fight for Caspians Throne lasts 4 months and that Aslan decided that it would be amusing to delay Caspians coronation by half a month, that way Aslans birthday present to Caspian would be him crowning Caspian

I will mention that The GM has decided that if possible, but its very likely that it won't be possible, he won't stray any further from the plot of Prince Caspian then he already has, which means that other then the attack on Miraz Castle The 5 Pcs won't be involved in any fight from the books or the films other then the final fight

This is also why he made The 5 Pcs Nobles that aren't in line for their fathers titles, the idea is that they will travel across as much of Narnia as possible and by revealing who they and their parents and, hopefully, convincing people that Caspians the rightful king they will be able to convince enough Narnian Nobles that are staying Neutral to side with Caspian then they hear of the fight and ride to Aslans How, hoping to arrive in time to turn the tides, hopefully with the numbers needed to turn the tide

Will it work?, who knows, I don't know for definite but I know The GM well enough to know that either he will have something planned or he's already got something planned that will ensure that even if they don't arrive in time to turn the tides and/or with the numbers needed to turn the tide that something will happen that ensures Caspians Victory but whatever happens that turns the tide won't be what does it in the film and book

PS in case your wondering The GM likes very strong alcohol and even though I only joined the group on the last day of April this year I've known him for almost 13 years and whenever possible I use that to get very petty revenge. See below for why

For example this time I've taken advantage of that to gain information I need to give me and the other players a huge advantage, unfair you say?, technically yes, but I had the misfortune to go to school with 2 very good friends of his, his sister, who later married 1 of the 2 very good friends, and his female cousin, who married his other very good friend and I knew them for 5 years

Because of how nasty they were to me for those 5 years I get a vindictive pleasure out of using his love of very strong alcohol to get lots of acts of petty revenge, which is the real reason why I keep deriding, insulting and belittling the guy, not nice you say?, again technically true but after what I suffered at the hands of his 2 very good friends, sister and female cousin I truly believe that I'm showing almost super human levels of both restraint and mercy
 

aco175

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PS in case your wondering The GM likes very strong alcohol and even though I only joined the group on the last day of April this year I've known him for almost 13 years and whenever possible I use that to get very petty revenge. See below for why

For example this time I've taken advantage of that to gain information I need to give me and the other players a huge advantage, unfair you say?, technically yes, but I had the misfortune to go to school with 2 very good friends of his, his sister, who later married 1 of the 2 very good friends, and his female cousin, who married his other very good friend and I knew them for 5 years

Because of how nasty they were to me for those 5 years I get a vindictive pleasure out of using his love of very strong alcohol to get lots of acts of petty revenge, which is the real reason why I keep deriding, insulting and belittling the guy, not nice you say?, again technically true but after what I suffered at the hands of his 2 very good friends, sister and female cousin I truly believe that I'm showing almost super human levels of both restraint and mercy
I'm sure a lot of people on the site are thinking that you should get new friends/ frenemies.

For the DnD aspect though, you should make a minotaur noble PC and keep trying to go in the opposite direction the DM is forcing you. You can make more petty comments about lack of choice and the destiny of going the right path and such. The DM may clue into that fact he is forcing you to go only his way.
 

Stormonu

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For example this time I've taken advantage of that to gain information I need to give me and the other players a huge advantage, unfair you say?, technically yes, but I had the misfortune to go to school with 2 very good friends of his, his sister, who later married 1 of the 2 very good friends, and his female cousin, who married his other very good friend and I knew them for 5 years

Because of how nasty they were to me for those 5 years I get a vindictive pleasure out of using his love of very strong alcohol to get lots of acts of petty revenge, which is the real reason why I keep deriding, insulting and belittling the guy, not nice you say?, again technically true but after what I suffered at the hands of his 2 very good friends, sister and female cousin I truly believe that I'm showing almost super human levels of both restraint and mercy
Yeah, not cool. There's venting, and then this sort of petty behavior.
 

Umbran

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Because of how nasty they were to me for those 5 years I get a vindictive pleasure out of using his love of very strong alcohol to get lots of acts of petty revenge, which is the real reason why I keep deriding, insulting and belittling the guy, not nice you say?, again technically true but after what I suffered at the hands of his 2 very good friends, sister and female cousin I truly believe that I'm showing almost super human levels of both restraint and mercy

Mod Note:
Depending what you mean by this, you may have gone beyond petty behavior, into physically endangering someone at the table for things other people did. That's not okay, and this site will not support discussion as if it were okay and justified.

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