Need help: Ettins' & Superior two weapon fighting

[Vahktang]

Probably done to death but I don't seem to have search access.

Ettin's are listed with superior two weapon fighting and a base attack of +7, then great strength.
It says that the ability means it takes no minuses from to hit's or damages.
Full attack is listed as +12/+7.
So that means (say) right hand +12, left hand +7?
Shouldn't superior two weapon fighting mean +12 right hand, +12 left hand, +7 right hand, +7 left hand.
And if doesn't mean the above, can I just add to the CR and make it so?
(MM pg 294: Monster possess special attacks or qualities that significantly improve combat effectiveness?)
How do y'all play it?


Thanks.

More later,

Vahktang

 

[Knight Otu]

The ettin's full attack sequence is

2 morningstars +12/+7 melee (2d6+6) or 2 javelins +5 ranged (1d8+6).

That means that, indeed, each morningstar is used to make two iterative attacks, for a total of four attacks.

 

[shilsen]

What Knight Otu said.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The ettin's full attack sequence is That means that, indeed, each morningstar is used to make two iterative attacks, for a total of four attacks.

What I want to know is why Ettins have Alertness rather than Quick Draw as a feat.

That should read "2 javelins +5/+0 ranged", damn it!

-Hyp.

 

[coyote6]

Give 'em a level of fighter, Hyp -- with bonus feat: Quick Draw.

 

[billd91]

What I want to know is why Ettins have Alertness rather than Quick Draw as a feat.

That should read "2 javelins +5/+0 ranged", damn it!

-Hyp.

Why? Because ettins always used to be nearly impossible to surprise, if my memory serves me right. Notice that most relatively dim humanoids have been given Alertness. I figure it's to make up for a poor Wisdom bonus and yet make them as alert as they should otherwise be.

 

[Knight Otu]

Well, ettins also have racial bonuses to Spot, Listen and Search checks, in addition to the Alertness feat. They'd still be hard to surprise without the feat.

 

[Vahktang]

Thanks everybody.
Please see the androsphinx thread.

More later,

Vahktang