NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Seems fair enough. Wait, do Strength bonuses from items count towards base damage increases? I know the Bestiary states that muscle density doesn't increase with items that increase Strength, but it doesn't make it clear how Virtual Size categories apply to them.

I'd say they do.

For example, if someone with 10 Strength were to wear a Belt of Epic Strength +30, would his unarmed attacks deal 1d4+15 damage or 1d8+15 damage? Would he be able to wield a greatsword made of 1/32,768th orichalcum for 4d6+22 damage, or would he be stuck with an iron greatsword for 2d6+22 damage? Most importantly, would he gain +2 Virtual Size Categories from wearing the belt?

Yes.

So Wishes would let a Druid give up his Wild Shape ability for more feats, or a Monk give up his Slow Fall for extra feats?

They let you convert feats/divine abilities yes, but if you need a certain feat as a prereq. then if you change that feat you will lose all others that require it.

To be honest, only the last 11 episodes of the 27-episode series were high-cosmic-level. The entirety of the series is all about "being awesome", evolving your DNA through sheer force of will, and using enormous cosmic drills tear your enemies asunder ("My drill is the drill that pierces the heavens!"). Hell, even the reasoning for the drill being the central theme of the show was that a drill moves forward with a revolution each second, symbolizing the progress and future of mankind.

The show takes the most classic and cliched tropes of anime, such as the ubiquitous "winning through the power of friendship and unity", and makes them fun again. It's much more enjoyable if you just sit back and watch the show to get pumped up, instead of looking for anything deep or profound. Kind of like watching B-movies for the fun of it.

The title of the show is "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann", and it had its run in Japan from April 1 to September 30 of this year.

Thanks for the info.

You mean time lords can throw galaxies like shurikens and the like? Nah, I already know that you've got a planned illustration of a Time Lord with a spiral galaxy as a shield fighting another Time Lord wielding a cat o' nine tails of cosmic strings. Here's the grand final battle of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in case you're interested in seeing how a fight between galaxy-sized mechas plays out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fk99mdUOW9o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9nFNLDYn_kI

Great links, lots of fun. Definately Time Lord style action, and weirdly the piecemeal nature of their design is similar to what I have come up with for time lords.

I can't think of that many on-hand right now, sorry. Some of them involve cosmic-level themes and characters, but not that much fighting. Majority of shounen anime ("shounen" is an anime genre that involves lots and lots of fighting) involves characters of the deity-level spectrum, with not that much sidereal-level combatants.

Thanks anyway!

 

[WarDragon]

Hiya mate!

Seems fair enough. Wait, do Strength bonuses from items count towards base damage increases? I know the Bestiary states that muscle density doesn't increase with items that increase Strength, but it doesn't make it clear how Virtual Size categories apply to them.

I'd say they do.

For example, if someone with 10 Strength were to wear a Belt of Epic Strength +30, would his unarmed attacks deal 1d4+15 damage or 1d8+15 damage? Would he be able to wield a greatsword made of 1/32,768th orichalcum for 4d6+22 damage, or would he be stuck with an iron greatsword for 2d6+22 damage? Most importantly, would he gain +2 Virtual Size Categories from wearing the belt?

Yes.

Er... this directly contradict the Epic Beastiary, where you said that only natural (race, template, level, and inherent) Strength counts for virtual size categories.

 

[EarthSeraphEdna]

Great links, lots of fun.

I especially liked the matryoshka doll-style attack, which nearly had me in tears due to the sheer over-the-top epicness. From a galaxy-sized mecha, to a solar system-sized mecha, to a planet-sized mecha, etc.

I wonder how that would work mechanically? I'm quite sure that your damage would be drastically reduced due to the smaller size of the actual attack, but you would be getting a huge bonus to your attack roll from the smaller size as well. It MIGHT be useful in a situation where extreme precision is absolutely necessary though, and it could offer an automatic coup-de-grace that bypasses AC, DR, and critical hit immunity. But that should only apply when the target has a discrete weak point, so it's really situational.

Oh, and in case you're wondering, the two mechas had either expanded themselves or compressed everything else using Super Spiral Space, making it possible for the Anti-Spirals' (the antagonists) homeworld to appear 1/25th as big as a galaxy. That would also mean that the pilots would probably be macrobes or even double-macrobes due to the galactic-scale expansion (or compression) of time/space.

Definately Time Lord style action, and weirdly the piecemeal nature of their design is similar to what I have come up with for time lords.

Hmmm, what kind of design do you have in mind for Time Lords? Would they really have manifestations the size of universes (eg. in the Xona scale)? And when you mean "piecemeal", do you mean that their "body parts" are disconnected and loosely held together by energy, just like the galactic mechas from TTGL?

 

[Farealmer3]

Okay, deep breaths everyone.

Am good...

However, in this instance (since I haven't seen the anime in question) I'd say Alzrius or dante definately have a better perspective on the matter than I do. So no need to be snappy with either of these guys Farealmer, both seemed like they were only trying to help.

...However i have to pick this apart for you.
1. Between the clips and the info Alzrius has given you got at least as much info as i've got on them. More than enough to tell where they stand. Your the only one whom i would consider right about where the ability is.
2. Alzrius defintiantly seems to know his wings and i apologized for snapping at him. However these rules aren't his and he isn't you. He may know the wings but only you know the rules.
3. Dante i will never take advice from, he talks of Tenchi Universe which as about as canon to the OVA's as Ultimate Marvel is to Marvel 616(which is to say none). And really, have you seen that little tirade he went on on the top of this pages(quoting a post not even directed at him to boot), exactly why i said i flat out wasn't going to respond to him. I knew he was like that before i even posted(seen his kind already have a couple at my home board). As such his Tenchi advice and mechanical advice is useless, to watered down with opinion. But thats the past and i'am leaving it there.

If you don't want to read the above then lets break it down. Just give me the level of a power that nullifies everything it touches, protects it's weilder from time travel(like slipstream), and provides a 360 degree sheild(that prevents teleporting attacks). That's all that's required, forget what has been posted if you don't want to judge an ability you've never seen. Just pretend am asking for a independent power. That should help.

Also sorry about turning your thread into a mad house for the second time, i really got to start checking that at the door.

 

[jedrious]

Am good...


...However i have to pick this apart for you.
1. Between the clips and the info Alzrius has given you got at least as much info as i've got on them. More than enough to tell where they stand. Your the only one whom i would consider right about where the ability is.
2. Alzrius defintiantly seems to know his wings and i apologized for snapping at him. However these rules aren't his and he isn't you. He may know the wings but only you know the rules.
3. Dante i will never take advice from, he talks of Tenchi Universe which as about as canon to the OVA's as Ultimate Marvel is to Marvel 616(which is to say none). And really, have you seen that little tirade he went on on the top of this pages(quoting a post not even directed at him to boot), exactly why i said i flat out i wasn't going to respond to him. I knew he was like that before i even posted(seen his kind already have a couple at my home board). As such his Tenchi advice and mechanical advice is useless, to watered down with opinion. But thats the past and i'am leaving it there.

If you don't want to read the above then lets break it down. Just give me the level of a power that nullifies everything it touches, temporally protects it's weilder, and provides a 360 degree sheild. That's all that's required, forget what has been posted if you don't want to judge an ability you've never seen. Just pretend am asking for a independent power. That should help.

Also sorry about turning your thread into a mad house for the second time, i really got to start checking that at the door.

I'd place it as a combination of the following abilities:
Sophism[Trancendental]
Uncanny Anti-Matter Mastery[6 Trancendetals]

puting it solidly as an omnific ability

 

[Farealmer3]

Sophism

Whats this do?

Uncanny Anti-Matter Mastery

I don't know, it nullifies energy as well as matter. So i don't think antimatter it'self would be proper for it, unless Sophism adds to this somehow?

 

[dante58701]

Er... this directly contradict the Epic Beastiary, where you said that only natural (race, template, level, and inherent) Strength counts for virtual size categories.

Krusty does a lot of contradictory things, like denouncing outsiders as non-deific races, while simultaneously using non-deific outsider races in his example material, allowing NPCs to wield 6 artifact swords (which would make sense considering three-weapon fighting), while simultaneously denouncing the ability to use 6 artifacts, or having contradictory Alter Reality abilities...both of which are cosmic, nearly identical (but different enough to be annoying), and in general not having cosmic abilities and transcendental abilities match their template counterparts (much like in the previous example).

And my personal favorite...making a MAGIC-BASED science portfolio, that technically cancels out any other portfolio that a deity would want to take, while simultaneously canceling out it's own spell-like (meaning magic-based) abilities and all template spell-like abilities as well.

Yeah, the science portfolio is in dire dire dire dire dire dire need of revisions. If you don't understand psionics, it's best just to avoid them or you risk really screwing it up.

I'd love to use the science portfolio, but let's face it, mechanically it is almost completely wrong to the point of being unusable. Especially since it relies on psionics, yet offers no psi-like abilities and cancels itself out.

 

[Alzrius]

Huh, well now those pesky pirates again. Why did Tsunami become her ship form though? It's obviously not her best form. Also i presume she killed the mutant? Also did the mutant get off some good hits or was Tsunami just being nice not flatening it the first couple of seconds.

I couldn't speak to why Tsunami fought as her ship-self; though between herself as a tree, herself as a person, and herself as a spaceship, the latter seems to be the best for fighting things in the material universe.

The fight was inconclusive. Aeka intervened, since she was worried about Miitsu, who only barely recognized her. It was enough, however, to let Miitsu beg Aeka for help, since her mutation had left her wracked with agony. Aeka did the only thing she could to help her former pet, and mercifully killed her.

That aside, the points you mentioned about LHW's going down seem to directly be ship wings. Which on a whole are much weaker than the wings of anomalies like Z and Tenchi and the Chousin. The real question is not how many things can bust a ship wing, but how many can crack the real deal. Those are the wings that matter? I doubt a planet sized generator is going to match Tenchi or even Z's wings.

I'm not quite certain the degree to which we can say any particular LHW's are stronger or weaker than others. Tenchi himself manifested what seemed to be six LHW's to stop the Chobimaru's planet-buster shot against the Earth, and that still knocked him out of the space/time continuum (though you could say that had to happen, since he needed to repeat falling out of space/time from before the Choushin retconned the universe after the battle with Z).

Also Alzrius i'd like to apologize to you for overreacting, it's just on the board i'am at everyone seems to hate Tenchi of which i defend way more then i should have to, so anyone who speaks even slightly ill of it instantly puts me in kill mode. I just got to remember not eveyone hates Tenchi on the web, just 90% of them.

Apology accepted, don't worry about it.

 

[Farealmer3]

Tenchi himself manifested what seemed to be six LHW's to stop the Chobimaru's planet-buster shot against the Earth, and that still knocked him out of the space/time continuum (though you could say that had to happen, since he needed to repeat falling out of space/time from before the Choushin retconned the universe after the battle with Z).

I tend to not take that as a LHW failing as powerful forces were conspiring to make it happen. Especially consdering Tenchi's power at that point.

Also if you have ascension could you tell me what sophism does?

 

[Alzrius]

Sophism's entry in the Double Science portfolio and Transcendental Powers table says that it lets you ignore magic on a successful check. However, the actual power's text is a bit more powerful - you can make a Will save against an opponent's level to avoid any type of assault (magical or physical).