NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

As far as a typo I have noticed: the Regeneration divine ability still has the Copy-Paste 'combine music' crap.

Also the divine ability Forked Tongue makes reference in it's description to being a Free action, and then later, a Swift action.

Just fixed both. Thanks.

Otherwise, the only thing I noticed as 'off' in the abilities section were some of the images need to have their edges cleaned. (There is a darkening around the edges that makes the image boundaries apparent)

Yes, I'll be sure and tidy those up.

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

I still have a bone to pick with Cosmic Firmament; I noticed while skimming that cosmic Firmament does like 10 different things depending on where you read it.
For example, in the Elder One template, it says for hit points they get X4 HP, and it tells you to see their cosmic firmament special quality, which doesn't mention anything like that. Further, the Cosmic ability (in the cosmic ability section) of the same name says it doubles your divine rank. This is confusing. I understand that Elder Ones are supposed to have inflated HD, but my three questions are:
1 - Is it really necessary to have two mechanically different powers with the same name?
2 - Is one in need of a re-write? (both might be...)
3 - Is the Cosmic Ability supposed to be able to work like the Divinity Template ability of the same name? (AKA If I take it a bunch can I add a huge multiplier to my hit points?)

EDIT: Cosmic Architect says 'You can combine your music with others for greater effect.' as it's description too.
As does Chimerical. And Impenetrable Will. Also Aligned Messiah. And DEgeneration.

 

[rjtrotter]

Highlord Divine Intervention

Hi U_K,

Nice to see an update, keep up the great work!

In my campaign I will be running a highlord intervention where in the highlord (a triad) is intervening in the multiverse and going to destroy the Sidereals in the outer planes (to become a Tetrad). Now to my question, how many Sidereals (I'm using Seraphim for the stats of the Sidereals) would I need to use as the opposing force? Just to point out one of the Sidereals are using the World-sword (Timelord artifact) as well.

Also the highlord is using the Lord of Necessity / Omega Template. Since the Omega template will not be detailed until Epic Bestiary: Volume Two is out, should I use the Amidah template but use a static bonus of +1200 it?

Thanks, Rob.

 

[WarDragon]

I don't think any number of Sidereals could stand up to a Time Lord, let alone a Triad. Even their "ace in the hole" is less than a third as powerful as their enemy.

 

[historian]

Rob, I don't mean to interject but I agree entirely with WarDragon.

With all respect to U_K who has managed to preserve balance at higher levels, High Lords, in my limited playtesting, completely overwhelm lesser foes. I don't believe that 1 billion Seraphim would have hope.

A Triad without artifacts in theory could have as many as 15 Omnific abilities. It's probably more like 10-12 in practice, but that's practically invincible I've found.

Good luck with it. I would be interested to see how the battle turns out.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi U_K,

Hey rj!

Nice to see an update, keep up the great work!

Unfortunately tonights proposed update will have to wait a while longer, I've basically had to do all my xmas shopping and posting over the past few days as I am working for four of the six nights between now and xmas day (although after that I have three nights to work in two weeks). So I haven't got as much done as I wanted. But I'll try and get a worthwhile update sneaked in before the new year.

In my campaign I will be running a highlord intervention where in the highlord (a triad) is intervening in the multiverse and going to destroy the Sidereals in the outer planes (to become a Tetrad). Now to my question, how many Sidereals (I'm using Seraphim for the stats of the Sidereals) would I need to use as the opposing force? Just to point out one of the Sidereals are using the World-sword (Timelord artifact) as well.

No amount of sidereals would defeat a Triad (or even a Time Lord). At that measure of power if the CRs are notably more than approx. double, they become nothing but an irrelevance to the more powerful figure.

The notion that one of the sidereals is using the World Sword, could have some bearing on the matter, but it would possibly be compromised by the sidereals abilities.

This is something I'll be looking at when the 4E version comes to fruition, as the current 3.5E mathematics simply don't favour any type of meaningful interaction between beings of that power disparity.

Also the highlord is using the Lord of Necessity / Omega Template. Since the Omega template will not be detailed until Epic Bestiary: Volume Two is out, should I use the Amidah template but use a static bonus of +1200 it?

The more I think about it the more the Omega template should really be flavour only and not a mechanic.

Thanks, Rob.

Always happy to help.

 

[Alzrius]

The more I think about it the more the Omega template should really be flavour only and not a mechanic.

I feel confident that I speak for most everyone here when I say that I disagree with you there, U_K. A template that lets you rival/defy the Supreme Being? That just cries out for stats!

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

The more I think about it the more the Omega template should really be flavour only and not a mechanic.

I'm with Alzrius on this.

I am really hoping that is the one idea left unfinished from Ascension that you'll flesh out before completely shifting your focus to 4e.

If you haven't thought through mechanics will you tell us what thoughts (concrete) you have had about it?

I would imagine it would be a nullity of sort but I'd rather have your idea.

 

[rjtrotter]

Hey rj!

No amount of sidereals would defeat a Triad (or even a Time Lord). At that measure of power if the CRs are notably more than approx. double, they become nothing but an irrelevance to the more powerful figure.

The notion that one of the sidereals is using the World Sword, could have some bearing on the matter, but it would possibly be compromised by the sidereals abilities.

Okay, the scenario I was thinking of the Sidereal with the World Sword (which I am having a Soul Object and a Timelord) elevate the Sidereal to a stage-III Demiurge. So now you have a Demiurge, a Timelord (the World Sword), and a large group of Sidereals. If the force is not powerful enough the Demiurge will use the World Sword to destroy the other Sidereals and add their power to it's own to become a full Timelord and the Triad is now facing two timelords instead of group of Sidreals. If needed the two Timelords could merge to become a Duad...

As to the Omega Template, if it's just flavored text, what would it be then? Then maybe add this to the Lord of Necessity Omnific abilities.

Thanks, Rob.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey guys!

Hey U_K!

I'm with Alzrius on this.

I am really hoping that is the one idea left unfinished from Ascension that you'll flesh out before completely shifting your focus to 4e.

If you haven't thought through mechanics will you tell us what thoughts (concrete) you have had about it?

I would imagine it would be a nullity of sort but I'd rather have your idea.

Well the Omega was intended to be the ultimate adversary, so basically it would have all the powers the opponent didn't have (or possibly in the case of the Supreme Being, reworked opposites of all those powers, or a way to nullify them as you mention).

I'm thinking that the Supreme Being may only have positive powers, whereas the adversary would have all the negative powers. Of course I haven't seperated the Transcendental or Omnific stuff into positive or negative yet so thats somewhat ambiguous.

In 4E this may work like the advanced portfolios.

Portfolios (12 types, some with multiple designations) for Immortals
Dimensions (6 types) for Sidereals
Reality/Unreality (2 types) for Eternals

But thats just speculation at this part.