NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

[Upper_Krust]

Hey dante mate!

On another topic...Elder Evils.

Has anyone seen this book yet, I have it and it has a new and interesting abilities.

I ordered Elder Evils and Races & Classes via Ebay shortly before Xmas, unfortunately neither has yet arrived and I don't really expect them for at least another week or so.

But I'll let you know what they are like when I get my mits on them.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy GQuail mate!

As others have since pointed out, it's still not quite complete, though: jedrious' list may be "minor" for the most part, but it's a big list, and would affect some PCs more than others. And as they note, this...

...is one of those "ethereal comments on the message board" things, because I didn't pick up any hint of that in the book. So there's clearly still changes to be made and, since I find reading a hard copy much, much easier to actualy use at the table, that means printing out the whole thing for me. (well, printing out and switching those pages which have changed: but that could be a lot of pages depending.)

You know, even with the resources of WotC they still maintained something called "Sage Advice" for the seven years of 3rd Edition's life span which answered questions akin to the ones fielded at me here.

As for "I can't fit the pre-reqs in the tables": hmm, well, that's unfortunate but I suppose unavoidable with the list of pre-reqs, especially if you're aiming for a certain page count for the print copy. Still, considering that the ELH and D&DG manages to stick to their format (didn't they?) it's a shame that the table page here won't be quite as complete.

The page count is no longer a set thing, however I just think putting the last line of a feat chain in the book is a lot more ergonomic. Those tables are going to be utterly ridiculous if I put in every feat and ability prereq. Its one thing for WotC to have it but they only design for low epic where 3-4 prereqs is a big thing, thats standard for me and many of the prereqs in my book go to 10 or even more.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi, Uk. I've been away for far too long.

Hello my friend - how have you been keeping?

I am curious to know if Ascension is still slated for PDF release, or is it already available?

The current 2.8 version is fairly close to the final text and has the cover and 1/4 the interior art. If you preordered Ascension via ENWorld you can download the latest version.

Your ideas are absouletly awesome and are just shooting for with my homebrew.

Thanks for the kind words although its been a real struggle getting it over the finishing post.

I know you stated earlier (maybe in another thread) about converting material to 4E, but am also curious to know if there is enough backing for a 3.5 release. I'd give my left, well whatever, you don't nedd to know that much, but I'd really like to see Ascension as a 3.5 product.

Certainly there is going to be a 3.5 pdf release for Ascension, and as far as I know a 3.5 print release too.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Hello my friend - how have you been keeping?

I'm doing fairly well thanks.

The current 2.8 version is fairly close to the final text and has the cover and 1/4 the interior art. If you preordered Ascension via ENWorld you can download the latest version.

Oh, so it is available for preorder. I did a search for it at rpgnow.com and drivethrurpg.com, but to no avail; is there still a page for it with the EnWorld storefront? I would like to preorder it.

Certainly there is going to be a 3.5 pdf release for Ascension, and as far as I know a 3.5 print release too.

Good to know. I am glad that there will be a physical book I'll be able to put in my hands. As soon as it is avalable for preorder through Mongoose, my dollars are as good as spent.

 

[GQuail]

You know, even with the resources of WotC they still maintained something called "Sage Advice" for the seven years of 3rd Edition's life span which answered questions akin to the ones fielded at me here.

This is very true: there's always some question needing answered. The difference in my mind, though, is that as useful a resource as this thread is, sometimes things get assumed as canon because you say them but never actually make their way into the product: somtimes because page layout or whatever impeded it, which is a bit awkward. I've seen more than one argument on this thread which is what the book said vs what you said later on; and several with other people saying what the book says vs what you say the book totally should say, it's obvious, honest!

And further to that comment about printed book vs PDF: magazine errata and online errata very rarely got used by me, and I suspect by some other people as well, because fishing out Dragon 326 or whatever or scribbling on my book is often less hard work than just going by what the book says. One of the big boons of online publishing is being able to amend and resend out corrected files without habing a new print run: I guess what I'm getting at is I wish all this stuff you put in here could definatly make it's way into one of your products.

(This might get easier if/when more books come out, like Grimiore or whatever - certainly, when Bestiary first came out and I joined the thread, I felt pretty stupid sometimes when your older fans were saying "Oh, yes, but Krusty explained divine powers work like this.....")

The page count is no longer a set thing, however I just think putting the last line of a feat chain in the book is a lot more ergonomic. Those tables are going to be utterly ridiculous if I put in every feat and ability prereq. Its one thing for WotC to have it but they only design for low epic where 3-4 prereqs is a big thing, thats standard for me and many of the prereqs in my book go to 10 or even more.

I entirely appreciate this: as said above, you're adding in muliple layers of new abilties. It's mostly irrelevant in play anyway: people will only be looking at, say, Cosmic abilities with Divine pre-reqs in mind, just as 19th level characters rarely sweat 1st level spells.

 

[GQuail]

Oh, so it is available for preorder. I did a search for it at rpgnow.com and drivethrurpg.com, but to no avail; is there still a page for it with the EnWorld storefront? I would like to preorder it.

IIRC it's no longer available for pre-order: the original book was offered on the old shop-front, and when the shop moved UK decided not to update the book until he had a fniished product. (For one thing, I don't think he knew if he COULD put up an unfinished book)

People who previoously bought it can get downloaded updates: those who haven't must wait, I suspect, until the final version is with us.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

IIRC it's no longer available for pre-order: the original book was offered on the old shop-front, and when the shop moved UK decided not to update the book until he had a fniished product. (For one thing, I don't think he knew if he COULD put up an unfinished book)

People who previoously bought it can get downloaded updates: those who haven't must wait, I suspect, until the final version is with us.

Damn. I should have preordered when I had the chance. Sigh.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

I'm doing fairly well thanks.

Glad to hear it dude!

Oh, so it is available for preorder. I did a search for it at rpgnow.com and drivethrurpg.com, but to no avail; is there still a page for it with the EnWorld storefront? I would like to preorder it.

As GQuail mentioned thats no longer available for purchase. But hopefully I'll have it on RPGNow sooner rather than later.

Good to know. I am glad that there will be a physical book I'll be able to put in my hands. As soon as it is avalable for preorder through Mongoose, my dollars are as good as spent.

I appreciate the support.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there GQuail mate!

This is very true: there's always some question needing answered. The difference in my mind, though, is that as useful a resource as this thread is, sometimes things get assumed as canon because you say them but never actually make their way into the product: somtimes because page layout or whatever impeded it, which is a bit awkward. I've seen more than one argument on this thread which is what the book said vs what you said later on; and several with other people saying what the book says vs what you say the book totally should say, it's obvious, honest!

And further to that comment about printed book vs PDF: magazine errata and online errata very rarely got used by me, and I suspect by some other people as well, because fishing out Dragon 326 or whatever or scribbling on my book is often less hard work than just going by what the book says. One of the big boons of online publishing is being able to amend and resend out corrected files without habing a new print run: I guess what I'm getting at is I wish all this stuff you put in here could definatly make it's way into one of your products.

I'll try and put as many minds at ease as possible with the final release. Updating pdfs is one thing, but after the print release I don't want to have anymore pdf updates.

(This might get easier if/when more books come out, like Grimiore or whatever - certainly, when Bestiary first came out and I joined the thread, I felt pretty stupid sometimes when your older fans were saying "Oh, yes, but Krusty explained divine powers work like this.....")

After Ascension we'll have all the rules in one source.

I entirely appreciate this: as said above, you're adding in muliple layers of new abilties. It's mostly irrelevant in play anyway: people will only be looking at, say, Cosmic abilities with Divine pre-reqs in mind, just as 19th level characters rarely sweat 1st level spells.

IIRC it's no longer available for pre-order: the original book was offered on the old shop-front, and when the shop moved UK decided not to update the book until he had a fniished product. (For one thing, I don't think he knew if he COULD put up an unfinished book)

Indeed, I wasn't sure how that would 'go down' with RPGNow's quality control.

People who previoously bought it can get downloaded updates: those who haven't must wait, I suspect, until the final version is with us.

Hopefully that will be by the end of January as I only work 5 days total the whole month (and hopefully I can get all those days back to back.

 

[dante58701]

Why doesn't the darkness portfolio let you see in darkness? Shouldn't a deity of darkness be able to See in Darkness if they have the ability to see.