NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

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Howdy WarDragon! :)

WarDragon said:
I would prefer you keep the Science portfolio, and divorce it entirely from the evil, nasty, disgusting, loathsome p-word.

The problem with the Science portfolio (which I was always aware of) was that it meant creating a whole subset of Science based spells (and indirectly Technomagic). Which is something I was comfortable doing for Grimoire, since I already have the spells written down. But it was something I thought was out of place in Ascension.
 

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Dante...just to clarify I don't want you replying to this post or any other for the alotted time.

dante58701 said:
Before I go Krusty...I'd just like to point out that I didn't start the shouting match. As noted here he called me deranged. Here and only here is where the insults started. So before you go passing judgment to appease the masses, perhaps you should read the whole thread and not just the parts that you initially see.

I offered straightforward, non-insulting constructive criticism and praise. He immediately went on the defense and started a flame war. Out of respect for you I will leave for 2 weeks. But you still need to start actually reading the entire discussion before passing judgment. Even gods do that.

It wasn't so much the argument one way or another, but rather that its always you. I don't agree with jedrious calling your ideas deranged per se, but I've never had to take him to task for anything before (and in fact he self-policed his responses soon into the argument by ignoring you). Its something I seem to be doing with you every month.

Note that I actually didn't call you on it the first few times you flew off the handle, I just asked you to calm down. So I have to extend the same courtesy to everyone. These recent temporary bans you have suffered are due to persistent breaking of the conduct rules.
 

Hey guys! :)

Regarding the Magic/Science/Psionics discussion, you have to question whether Psionics is opposed to Magic.

While all significantly advanced Science may seem like Magic, there is that friction between the two because Science is understood...or at least logical, whereas Magic is sort of a law unto itself.

If Magic was logical then you could simply teach anyone how to cast a spell in a few minutes.

Psionics is just another flavour of magic (at least within the current 3.5 ruleset). Hopefully the gap will widen with 4E.
 


Upper_Krust said:
Hey guys! :)

Regarding the Magic/Science/Psionics discussion, you have to question whether Psionics is opposed to Magic.

While all significantly advanced Science may seem like Magic, there is that friction between the two because Science is understood...or at least logical, whereas Magic is sort of a law unto itself.

If Magic was logical then you could simply teach anyone how to cast a spell in a few minutes.

Psionics is just another flavour of magic (at least within the current 3.5 ruleset). Hopefully the gap will widen with 4E.
Personally, I feel that for the purposes of deityhood, Psionic/Magic transparency should be removed with the exception to SR(in other words SR should work on Powers and PR should work on spells, simply because otherwise it's an accounting nightmare for DMs), this creates a bit of tension between deities and actually warrants the idea of an oppossed portfolio.

for the Science Portfolio, I would keep it in the backburner and place it in the Grimiore so that it can be complete upon release, I'm not up on the legal aspects of the OGL, but i'd check and see if referencing rules in other books are allowed, if so using the Artificier from ECS would be a good base

another thing to look at for psionics is some more support on the Epic Feat, Divine Ability and Cosmic Ability tiers for example:

Metapsionic Freedom[Epic]
You can more readily modify your powers
Prerequisites: any four metapsionic feats, Psicraft 25 Ranks
Benefit: You no longer need to expend your psionic focus to apply a metapsionic feat to a power, in addition you can apply a metapsionic feat to a power multiple times.


Divine Manifester[Divine]
You are a great Psionicist
Prerequisites: Psicraft 40 Ranks
Benefit: Double your number of Psionic Power Points

Divine Metafaculty
You have tapped into the universal knowledge
Prerequisites: Psicraft 40 Ranks
Benefit: Double your number of Psionic Powers known.

Power Block[Divine]
Deny a power the right to affect you.
Prerequisites: Knowing the power you are blocking, Int 40, Spell Resistance 40, Psicraft 40 Ranks
Benefit: You can choose any power you know, you are now immune to that power as if you hade infinite Spell Resistance against that power.
Special: You can take this ability multiple times, its effects do not stack. Each time you take this ability it applies to a different power.

Power Immunity[Divine]
You have built up an immunity to Psionic Power
Prerequisites: Int 40 Spell Resistance 40, Psicraft 40 Ranks
Benefit: You are immune to Psionic Powers and Psi-like Abilities with an effective Psionic Power Point cost of 3 or less(as if you had infinite Spell Resistance)
Special: You make take this ability multiple times, its effects stack. Each time you take this ability increase the threshold you are immune to by 4 Psionic Power Points. You cannot be immune to an effective Psionic Power Point cost beyond double your divine rank plus 1.

Prerequisites:
Power Shot[Divine]
Your missiles are powered by your mind
Prerequisites: Int 11, Psicraft 25 Ranks
Benefit: You can shoot Powers with a Psionic Power Point cost of 1 as if they were missiles.
Special: You can take this ability multiple times, its effects stack. Each time you take this ability increase the number of Psionic Power Points you can shoot by 2. The Intelligence prerequisite increases by 1 each time you take this ability.

Psionic Lord[Divine]
You body is infused with psionic power
Prerequisites: (Psionic) subtype
Benefit: You gain the Phrenic template.
Special: The Phrenic template is found in the Expanded Psionics Handbook

Erudition[Cosmic]
You know all powers
Prerequisites: Divine Metafaculty, Int 70, Imprint Stone, Psicraf 70 Ranks
Benefit: You know all Psionic Powers from all classes and disciplines.

Cosmic Metaconcert[Cosmic]
Your mind is tireless
Prerequisites: Int 70, Divine Manifester, Psicraft 70 Ranks
Benefit: You have infinite Psionic Power Points
 

Well, if that is the case, I would recommend then including a sidebar or annotation for the psionics section of Ascension to note something along those lines, or or give a suggestion as to what one should do if they decided not to incorporate Psionics Rules into their game for whatever reason.

If you just remove the Psionics Portfolio, I suggest placing a disclaimer on the magic portfolio or something, because this would make a single portfolio without an opposite.
 

Hey guys! :)

What I may do is remove the Science Portfolio (until Grimoire), and add a Psionic section as an addendum to the main book. Say 2 pages of Psionic material featuring the Psionic Portfolio and the Psionic powers jedrious listed. So it would be close to two pages of jedrious work - you okay with that dude? I'd be happy to slip you a free hardcopy of Ascension (when I get my hard copies that is).
 



A point of errata, U_K (I really need to do more of those now that the book is close to being released): Table 4-5 says that a Mighty Attack requires a -10 to your attack, but the description for it says it takes a -15. Also, the manner in which you calculate how far back the opponent is flung seems a bit cumbersome.

Also, Throw Attack isn't listed on Table 4-5 at all.
 

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