NEW Immortals Handbook - Ascension thread

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy!

FDR killed America, but that's not a discussion for the here and now.

On topic, UK: has your 20 day break begun yet, or is that next week? Can we actually hope to expect some progress on the text, or should we just pack it in and wait for 4th Ed?

I work Thursday and Friday and then I am off for 19 days.

I don't start until late tomorrow night so I'll be online to answer all posts and get up to date tomorrow.

 

[EarthSeraphEdna]

Caster level is always equal to HD + Divine Rank, correct? So an Elder One with 140 class levels (NOT integrated) in Sorcerer would have a Caster Level of 164.

What's stopping him from going Bard 20 / Cleric 20 / Druid 20 / Paladin 20 / Ranger 20 / Sorcerer 20 / Wizard 20 and getting a universal caster level of 164 with seven separate spell lists?

 

[jedrious]

Caster level is always equal to HD + Divine Rank, correct? So an Elder One with 140 class levels (NOT integrated) in Sorcerer would have a Caster Level of 164.

What's stopping him from going Bard 20 / Cleric 20 / Druid 20 / Paladin 20 / Ranger 20 / Sorcerer 20 / Wizard 20 and getting a universal caster level of 164 with seven separate spell lists?

well the Paladin/Druid alignment requirements for one, multiclass penalties for another, RP aspects for getting training in each for a third, Multiple Ability Dependancy for a fourth

 

[EarthSeraphEdna]

well the Paladin/Druid alignment requirements for one

Alright, that's a valid point. An Elder One with Bard 20 / Cleric 20 / Druid 20 / Ranger 20 / Sorcerer 20 / Wizard 20 with a universal caster level of 144 is still nothing to be scoffed at.

multiclass penalties for another

He shouldn't have any if he advances his classes evenly. Besides, if he starts out like that in character creation, it shouldn't be much of a problem.

RP aspects for getting training in each for a third

He's a mage that wanted to learn every form of magic possible, training himself in the most eclectic manner possible through different styles and methods.

Multiple Ability Dependancy for a fourth

Even if he pumps all of his ability score increases into a single stat, he'll still have a whole bunch of extra spells. Then there's things like Cleric 120 vs Cleric 40 / Druid 40 / Ranger 40.

 

[mercucio]

Caster level is always equal to HD + Divine Rank, correct? So an Elder One with 140 class levels (NOT integrated) in Sorcerer would have a Caster Level of 164.

What's stopping him from going Bard 20 / Cleric 20 / Druid 20 / Paladin 20 / Ranger 20 / Sorcerer 20 / Wizard 20 and getting a universal caster level of 164 with seven separate spell lists?

There is also his pathetic lack of bonus feats for going that route.

 

[dante58701]

That's so very true, that's why my favorite combination is Archivist/Erudite/Fighter/Rogue/Scout. It's really hard to go wrong with that one. Ur mentally and mystically adept, good at fighting out of a corner, and really good at sneaking around in complete darkness.

 

[mercucio]

UK,

How often can Redivus be used? Once per day per target?

Also, if there is no specific 'greatest foe' (say you are using the ability on an NPC without such written) what should the default HD/CR be? Equal to the creature you are targeting with Redivus?


Also, for deities who take Lord of Spirit or Lord of Bone, how does rejuvenation/phylacteries interact with the destruction of a manifestation away from their home plane? How about on their home plane?

 

[dante58701]

The official WOTC ruling is that Phylacteries restore any being that has one regardless of distance or their planar locale. Rejuvenation does this as well, although in a much different way. That would mean this would apply to all deities as well.

Phylactery and Rejuvenation are not the same thing at all.

Phylactery prevents your spirit's destruction from happening in the first place. While rejuvenation restores you even if your spirit has been sundered.

You are definitely talking about two very different approaches to survival. Even though they appear to be similar, they really aren't.

 

[Farealmer3]

Hey U_K how would you rate the Light Hawk Wings?
http://www.answers.com/topic/light-hawk-wings

 

[Upper_Krust]

UK,

Howdy mercucio mate!

By the way, what the heck is happening with Dicefreaks, do you know?

How often can Redivus be used? Once per day per target?

Well, I think you could use it more than once, but you could only summon their greatest enemy once ever. After that you'd get the second greatest, then the third and so on.

Also, if there is no specific 'greatest foe' (say you are using the ability on an NPC without such written) what should the default HD/CR be? Equal to the creature you are targeting with Redivus?

I'd have the first be equal, then drop them down by one ECL each time.

Also, for deities who take Lord of Spirit or Lord of Bone, how does rejuvenation/phylacteries interact with the destruction of a manifestation away from their home plane? How about on their home plane?

Tricky, but I think the lack of Con bonus means you have to allow their phylacteries to work in tandem with their manifestations.

ie. If a deity with a phylactery has its manifestation destroyed on its home plane, it will still rejuvenate if it has a phylactery.