5E New survey from WotC about boxed sets

bedir than

Explorer
Meh. It's just asked me how likely I was to buy a boxed set, I said "unlikely" and it told me to get lost. It would have been nice to be asked why (boxed sets are massively expensive in the UK compared to books).
I was in the furthest to the buy side. It was done asking me questions after that.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Meh. It's just asked me how likely I was to buy a boxed set, I said "unlikely" and it told me to get lost. It would have been nice to be asked why (boxed sets are massively expensive in the UK compared to books).
They asked detailed questions, with room for detailed responses, in their big product survey last year. There were highly specific product questions for those who were interested in buying a boxed set, but no room for writing in an anything. If you said unlikely, you were not the target audience they were canvassing, simple as that. They already know the higher level stuff from that big survey, this was nitty gritty for the target audience.
 
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Blue

Orcus on a bad hair day
What type of product are they asking about? I've bought a number of boxed sets, especially back in the AD&D & 2ed days when TSR made a good number of them. It's a wide category.

This didn't seem to be able to make up it's mind if it's asking questions about a campaign setting or about an intro to D&D set.

And really, I wouldn't buy them if combined together.

As a side note, if you change your answer to "Not Likely" half way through when you understand they are not asking about the concept of buying a D&D Boxed Set on something, but about a specific boxed set that they neglected to describe, all the questions go away. If you go back to 50/50 or more it appears but you've lost all your answers.

Really, this was a poorly done survey because they are making assumptions that "D&D Box Set" has a clear and unambiguous meaning to everyone, and I tell you that even with consideration of their questions and potential contents I can't tell you exactly what they were offering. So my answers will not be made in the same context as others.
 

Blue

Orcus on a bad hair day
Meh. It's just asked me how likely I was to buy a boxed set, I said "unlikely" and it told me to get lost. It would have been nice to be asked why (boxed sets are massively expensive in the UK compared to books).
Yeah, I originally thought it was about the concept of buying a Box Set and it gave me a bunch of questions. When I realized that they had particular meaning to box set that didn't match the varied history of boxed sets I changed my answer to "not likely" and it wiped all the questions it had previously asked. Get lost indeed.
 
I highly doubt this is for an Eberron box set. Isn't the new Eberron producting coming out this year, in a few months? They wouldn't be polling like this just five months in advance.

My money would be on Forgotten Realms. It just makes all kinds of sense.

Greyhawk is possible, but let's face it: the setting is a bit anachronistic for contemporary sensibilities. Duchy of Geoff? Nyr Dyv? Maybe a bit later as a legacy/collector's product, but for some reason it just seems more dated than the FR, perhaps because the creator was a pre-Boomer, actually "Silent Generation" (born 1938), while Ed Greenwood was late Boomer/fringe Gen X (born 1959). I just don't see them doing their first new setting box as Greyhawk (if that's what they're doing).

Planescape would be wonderful too.

Of course the best case scenario is "all of the above," but that seems unrealistic, or rather a bit optimistic. But I could see a smattering of box sets over the next two to three years: FR, Planescape, Greyhawk, maybe Dark Sun or even Mystara.
 

Parmandur

Legend
I highly doubt this is for an Eberron box set. Isn't the new Eberron producting coming out this year, in a few months? They wouldn't be polling like this just five months in advance.

My money would be on Forgotten Realms. It just makes all kinds of sense.

Greyhawk is possible, but let's face it: the setting is a bit anachronistic for contemporary sensibilities. Duchy of Geoff? Nyr Dyv? Maybe a bit later as a legacy/collector's product, but for some reason it just seems more dated than the FR, perhaps because the creator was a pre-Boomer, actually "Silent Generation" (born 1938), while Ed Greenwood was late Boomer/fringe Gen X (born 1959). I just don't see them doing their first new setting box as Greyhawk (if that's what they're doing).

Planescape would be wonderful too.

Of course the best case scenario is "all of the above," but that seems unrealistic, or rather a bit optimistic. But I could see a smattering of box sets over the next two to three years: FR, Planescape, Greyhawk, maybe Dark Sun or even Mystara.
In terms of planning a product, they asked what people would want in a box set last year in the big product survey. This seemed more like fine-tuning something they already have lined up, based on the weird specificity of the questions. Seems like an Eberron companion set, for my money.
 
I wasn't taking about another starter set, but a full on campaign box set, which is a very different beast from a starter set. Might not have an adventure for example, it'd have updated lore, a big map of Faerun (maybe Toril as a whole), info on various regions, the target audience would be not be newbies (although perhaps it would be presented in a newbie friendly fashion), but rather major fans of FR.

Also remember WotC is hiring consultants on various none European inspired FR cultures.
Sorry I didn't phrase my post very well. What I meant is that even if this boxed set was a campaign setting, I'm not sure how much more incremental value it would add compared to the products currently released.

So let's say you're correct and it's a FR campaign box. The lore would have to be spread out over the entire world, otherwise it's just rehashing the stuff already released in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. And if it's the entire world, they need to spread it thin to cover everything in Toril. Plus some of this info is already covered in Out of the Abyss and Tomb of Annihilation that cover areas beyond the Sword Coast.

Now they could still do a campaign box, there's enough remaining content (and they can repackage already released content), I just don't think it's very smart on their part to do this. More likely IMO, they're going to keep releasing new Adventure books with each one covering a different area of the world of Toril (like Al-Qadim or Kara-Tur).

If it's a new starter box, the choice to me is Greyhawk because it doesn't require new rules and can function as a baseline default setting, much like FR does. And at the same time they can release content for that world that is completely new for FR.

If it is truly a campaign box, I think it's Dark Sun or Eberron. Both require new rules for their worlds to actually work, plus the obligatory world lore would be completely new.
 

gyor

Hero
Sorry I didn't phrase my post very well. What I meant is that even if this boxed set was a campaign setting, I'm not sure how much more incremental value it would add compared to the products currently released.

So let's say you're correct and it's a FR campaign box. The lore would have to be spread out over the entire world, otherwise it's just rehashing the stuff already released in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. And if it's the entire world, they need to spread it thin to cover everything in Toril. Plus some of this info is already covered in Out of the Abyss and Tomb of Annihilation that cover areas beyond the Sword Coast.

Now they could still do a campaign box, there's enough remaining content (and they can repackage already released content), I just don't think it's very smart on their part to do this. More likely IMO, they're going to keep releasing new Adventure books with each one covering a different area of the world of Toril (like Al-Qadim or Kara-Tur).

If it's a new starter box, the choice to me is Greyhawk because it doesn't require new rules and can function as a baseline default setting, much like FR does. And at the same time they can release content for that world that is completely new for FR.

If it is truly a campaign box, I think it's Dark Sun or Eberron. Both require new rules for their worlds to actually work, plus the obligatory world lore would be completely new.
Depends on how big the box is.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Sorry I didn't phrase my post very well. What I meant is that even if this boxed set was a campaign setting, I'm not sure how much more incremental value it would add compared to the products currently released.

So let's say you're correct and it's a FR campaign box. The lore would have to be spread out over the entire world, otherwise it's just rehashing the stuff already released in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. And if it's the entire world, they need to spread it thin to cover everything in Toril. Plus some of this info is already covered in Out of the Abyss and Tomb of Annihilation that cover areas beyond the Sword Coast.

Now they could still do a campaign box, there's enough remaining content (and they can repackage already released content), I just don't think it's very smart on their part to do this. More likely IMO, they're going to keep releasing new Adventure books with each one covering a different area of the world of Toril (like Al-Qadim or Kara-Tur).

If it's a new starter box, the choice to me is Greyhawk because it doesn't require new rules and can function as a baseline default setting, much like FR does. And at the same time they can release content for that world that is completely new for FR.

If it is truly a campaign box, I think it's Dark Sun or Eberron. Both require new rules for their worlds to actually work, plus the obligatory world lore would be completely new.
So, there are 7 items in the box set that the are floating there to test people's reactions:

1- Special Dice
2- "Poster map of the campaign setting"
3- "A campaign or adventures that capture the flavor of a D&D setting"
4- Mini-handouts (they call out spell cards as a possibility)
5- Character sheets
6- Basic rules
7- A campaign specific DM screen

Of those 7 items, WotC released ancillary products that hit 1-4 alongside Ravnica (Dice and "Maps & Miscellany").

Given what they have revealed about Target wanting board game style packaged D&D TTRPG material, making an Eberron box to compliment or stand in for the book, and sell in Target board game sections makes sense.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
So, there are 7 items in the box set that the are floating there to test people's reactions:

1- Special Dice
2- "Poster map of the campaign setting"
3- "A campaign or adventures that capture the flavor of a D&D setting"
4- Mini-handouts (they call out spell cards as a possibility)
5- Character sheets
6- Basic rules
7- A campaign specific DM screen

Of those 7 items, WotC released ancillary products that hit 1-4 alongside Ravnica (Dice and "Maps & Miscellany").

Given what they have revealed about Target wanting board game style packaged D&D TTRPG material, making an Eberron box to compliment or stand in for the book, and sell in Target board game sections makes sense.
I think you’re right, and also I really think that Eberron has the broadest potential appeal to people just diving in to dnd.

It it doesn’t matter to such a person who hat the history of dnd is, so “most generic form of dnd” is irrelevant. It hits fantasy notes in a way that is very popular today, especially in cartoons and video games, mixing genres, not running on medieval sensibilities, etc, it’s a fun setting that can also be played as dark or gritty as you want, and it facilitates the sort of weird, flashy, adventures we see in stuff like She-Ra, Adventure Time, Guardians of The Galaxy, etc.

And a lot of people come to fantasy gaming via more general gaming and nerd culture, and so are more/just as familiar with steampunk, noir fantasy, sci-fantasy, and other fantastical genres of speculative fiction that Eberron takes inspiration from.

Basically, I think that an Eberron box set with the classic image of the warforged hanging off the side of an airship, or the aerial battle in Sharn, on the cover, in big box stores like Target, would sell like hot cakes after a hunger strike.
 
In terms of planning a product, they asked what people would want in a box set last year in the big product survey. This seemed more like fine-tuning something they already have lined up, based on the weird specificity of the questions. Seems like an Eberron companion set, for my money.
OK, maybe. An Adventures in Eberron box set makes sense. That said, is it the best choice for Target (if that's what they're going for)? Wouldn't a more vanilla offering like the Forgotten Realms make more sense for the Target crowd?
 
Sorry I didn't phrase my post very well. What I meant is that even if this boxed set was a campaign setting, I'm not sure how much more incremental value it would add compared to the products currently released.

So let's say you're correct and it's a FR campaign box. The lore would have to be spread out over the entire world, otherwise it's just rehashing the stuff already released in the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. And if it's the entire world, they need to spread it thin to cover everything in Toril. Plus some of this info is already covered in Out of the Abyss and Tomb of Annihilation that cover areas beyond the Sword Coast.

Now they could still do a campaign box, there's enough remaining content (and they can repackage already released content), I just don't think it's very smart on their part to do this. More likely IMO, they're going to keep releasing new Adventure books with each one covering a different area of the world of Toril (like Al-Qadim or Kara-Tur).

If it's a new starter box, the choice to me is Greyhawk because it doesn't require new rules and can function as a baseline default setting, much like FR does. And at the same time they can release content for that world that is completely new for FR.

If it is truly a campaign box, I think it's Dark Sun or Eberron. Both require new rules for their worlds to actually work, plus the obligatory world lore would be completely new.
This all makes sense. I'd like to see a mega-FR box (or any campaign setting box, really), but based on your logic it makes sense to keep covering the FR as the default for their hardcovers and start a new line of "other D&D settings."

On the other hand, it also makes sense for them to offer an FR set for those who want to go "off-roading." They could do something similar to the 2nd edition box, which included a 128-page world-book, 96-page region/adventure book, and 64-page DM's book, and other stuff.

Another thought is Dragonlance, even a Dragonlance campaign. Ansalon is simple enough that it could be covered decently well in a 96 page world-book, then you have a 128-page campaign book, 64-page monsters and items book, maps, and other gizmos and voila: a Dragonlance mega-box.
 

thundershot

Explorer
Man, I miss the 2E days of opening a box and taking out books, monster pages, and HUGE COLORFUL MAPS with numbered areas... Dragon Mountain...
 

Parmandur

Legend
OK, maybe. An Adventures in Eberron box set makes sense. That said, is it the best choice for Target (if that's what they're going for)? Wouldn't a more vanilla offering like the Forgotten Realms make more sense for the Target crowd?
Based on the direct wording they used in this survey, Forgotten Realms can be rules out: why would anyone need example adventure material to demonstrate how to campaign in the Realms? Eberron, however, is more exotic: but it fits well with modern aesthetics just fine, so I think it would fit the Target crowd.

The most leading part, though, is that they released similar material last year to dovetail with the Ravnica book, and asked the community last year about box sets in detail. Not much of a stretch. And the Essentials Set was made because Target came to WotC to make more products because of how well the Starter Set has continued to sell, and Target wanted boxes for the board game section rather than game books...
 
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gyor

Hero
I'd prefer FR first then Eberron and other settings, I want a full map of FR dang nabbit. We shall see.
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
OK, maybe. An Adventures in Eberron box set makes sense. That said, is it the best choice for Target (if that's what they're going for)? Wouldn't a more vanilla offering like the Forgotten Realms make more sense for the Target crowd?
If you are a unknowledgable D&D Target person... neither the names of FR or Eberron will mean anything to you. Thus the only thing that will impact you is the box cover art design. And seeing as how the Starter Set follows the FR design and takes place in the FR, it already essentially is a FR boxed set already.

Whereas an Eberron boxed set will have a much different look, what with an airship and a robot on the cover (assuming standard Eberron art direction.) Thus it would make for a better comparison product next to the Starter (and probably Essential) boxes.
 

BronzeDragon

Explorer
I hate boxed sets with a passion. I love Hardback books. Just my taste.
You have neither a heart nor a soul.

P.S.: Regarding the Campaign Setting, I'm praying it's not FR/Eberron/Ewwvnica. Birthright would melt my heart and essentially force me to buy two copies. Planescape would be next best, then Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Mystara/Hollow World, Al-Qadim, Ravenloft, all of which would be instant buys.

Alas, it's gonna be FR or Eberron, because meh is the favorite flavor these days.
 
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