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5E New survey from WotC about boxed sets

Parmandur

Adventurer
I think you’re right, and also I really think that Eberron has the broadest potential appeal to people just diving in to dnd.

It it doesn’t matter to such a person who hat the history of dnd is, so “most generic form of dnd” is irrelevant. It hits fantasy notes in a way that is very popular today, especially in cartoons and video games, mixing genres, not running on medieval sensibilities, etc, it’s a fun setting that can also be played as dark or gritty as you want, and it facilitates the sort of weird, flashy, adventures we see in stuff like She-Ra, Adventure Time, Guardians of The Galaxy, etc.

And a lot of people come to fantasy gaming via more general gaming and nerd culture, and so are more/just as familiar with steampunk, noir fantasy, sci-fantasy, and other fantastical genres of speculative fiction that Eberron takes inspiration from.

Basically, I think that an Eberron box set with the classic image of the warforged hanging off the side of an airship, or the aerial battle in Sharn, on the cover, in big box stores like Target, would sell like hot cakes after a hunger strike.
The Phandelver Starter Set is still selling briskly at my local Target, after 5 years of release: that's pretty astounding, and doing a setting box as a "next step" alongside the revised Essential Set seems like good business.
 

Parmandur

Adventurer
I'd prefer FR first then Eberron and other settings, I want a full map of FR dang nabbit. We shall see.
If setting boxes really hit it off, FR might happen eventually: but it wouldn't make any business sense to do multiple settings simultaneously.

As it is, FR is getting detailed regional Gazeeters in the Adventure products on a regular basis. Crawford, in the latest Dragon Talk, discussed how the Baldur's Gate Gazeeter in Descent to Avernus is very large and sufficient to run a whole campaign that ignores the Hell material entirely.
 

doctorbadwolf

Explorer
You have neither a heart nor a soul.

P.S.: Regarding the Campaign Setting, I'm praying it's not FR/Eberron/Ewwvnica. Birthright would melt my heart and essentially force me to buy two copies. Planescape would be next best, then Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Mystara/Hollow World, Al-Qadim, Ravenloft, all of which would be instant buys.

Alas, it's gonna be FR or Eberron, because meh is the favorite flavor these days.
I get the aversion to FR, but Eberron is way more interesting than Greyhawk or Mystara
 

flametitan

Explorer
Sure. I’m just saying there isn’t all that much that sets those settings apart in comparison.
Greyhawk does have a lot of similarities with the FR, though I seem to recall Mystara got a little more weird materials progressed (though I dunno if most games really interacted with the weird stuff in Mystara.)

That said, I do think that if WotC were to ever release them, they'd need more time to flesh out the question of, "Why play this setting over the Realms?" Greyhawk seems to have an answer in the form of, "Darker, more Swords and Sorcery style," but I'm not sure what Mystara would do. Maybe emphasize the weirder parts of the setting? Or play up the fact that it's even more of a hodge podge kitchen sink than the others?
 
Mystara is a pipe-dream. I mean, if they start a new line of "legacy settings" box sets, we might see it in 5+ years, but there are half a dozen or more settings we'll see before it, and as far as going for nostalgia kitchen-sink, FR or Greyhawk are more likely.

Greyhawk is sort of a mixed bag. I don't think it would be their first box set, unless Mearls--who is a fan--sees it as his personal project. Maybe two or three down the line.

Eberron or FR are the two that are most likely. This has been discussed already...not really anything to add.

As I mentioned, I love the idea of a Dragonlance Campaign box, although this would also work for a two-part hardcover series.

Planescape and Dark Sun are also quite possible, although might follow after one of Eberron or FR.

I don't see any other legacy setting getting a box set before the others. I suppose I'd give Nentir Vale and Spelljammer slightly more likelihood than the rest.

A final possibility would be a new setting, but given that they did Ravnica last year I think it more likely they do a legacy setting first.

Most likely: Eberron, Forgotten Realms, Dark Sun, Planescape
Unlikely, but possible: Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Nentir Vale, new setting
Very unlikely: Mystara, other legacy settings

IMO, of course.
 

Arnwolf666

Explorer
You have neither a heart nor a soul.

P.S.: Regarding the Campaign Setting, I'm praying it's not FR/Eberron/Ewwvnica. Birthright would melt my heart and essentially force me to buy two copies. Planescape would be next best, then Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Mystara/Hollow World, Al-Qadim, Ravenloft, all of which would be instant buys.

Alas, it's gonna be FR or Eberron, because meh is the favorite flavor these days.
I would love to see something new setting wise. No disrespect to greenwood intended. A full birthright setting,
Ravenloft setting, planescape setting. Anything new. Glen Welch has been doing a great job converting mystara.
 

gyor

Adventurer
You have neither a heart nor a soul.

P.S.: Regarding the Campaign Setting, I'm praying it's not FR/Eberron/Ewwvnica. Birthright would melt my heart and essentially force me to buy two copies. Planescape would be next best, then Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Mystara/Hollow World, Al-Qadim, Ravenloft, all of which would be instant buys.

Alas, it's gonna be FR or Eberron, because meh is the favorite flavor these days.
Al Qadim IS FR, Can here to be specific, I think you mean not Faerun. I get being sick of the swordcoast, but Faerun has other really cool areas.
 

gyor

Adventurer
My idea box set would be based on the core book box set, but instead of a PHB, DMG, And MM, it was be a Faerun Setting Guide, Kara Tur Setting Guide, Maztica Setting Guide, and Zakhara Setting Guide, detailed Poster Maps of all 4 and FR DM Screen, with all books the size the PHB, or better yet the size of pathfinders PHB! Dream big or go home as they say.
 

oknazevad

Villager
One thing to remember when figuring out which setting, if any, will get a boxed set: they have very thorough data that has shown time and again that about 55% of games are actually homebrew, though only about half of those are strict rejections of existing settings, while the remainder are just "will use whatever fits" looser ones. Coupled with the 35% using some form of the Realms, there's a reason products have been largely Realms-centric: between the FR campaigns and the "steal anything generic" campaigns, over half of the games out there can use Realms material.

That said, it won't be a FR box. They consider it covered by the hardbacks, each one acting as a regional gazetteer as well as an adventure path. And it's the adventure material that really appeals to the DMs whose campaigns are patchwork, not the hyper-detailed setting treatments. Most DMs just don't care about canon like that, nor should they if it's meaningless to their games. What happens at their table is what's important. They'd be just fine if the setting never advanced any further.

Eberron I can see as it's a popular setting and has a broad appeal of being not straight jacketed as a pseudo-medieval-European setting. And there's the fact that it's a fixed setting; when they considered advancing the timeline two years for the 4e version of the setting, the feedback was overwhelmingly negative. Time and again the idea has been rejected. For a perennial product, it's a logical choice.

Greyhawk, according to WOTC's data, is supposedly the second most popular setting, with about 5% of the games (all other setting combined are the remaining 5%). And they seem to have finally approached it as a separate setting. Ghosts of Saltmarsh isexplicitly set in Greyhawk, and there's a sidebar for using it in other settings. So the possibility exists for it to be used, but I kinda think it's going to get the FR treatment in that there might be future hardbacks that are both gazetteers and adventures in one. And like the recent ones, it'll get separate map or accessory packs.

What I found most interesting about that sidebar was not so much that they pushed the Realms into the sidebar, though I can see how that might surprise some based on the track record thus far with 5e, but that the settings listed were the Realms, Eberron, and ... Mystara. Maybe the recent Goodman Games hardcovers are also a way to reintroduce one of the oldest settings to the public.
 
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Staffan

Explorer
Greyhawk, according to WOTC's data, is supposedly the second most popular setting, with about 5% of the games (all other setting combined are the remaining 5%). And they seem to have finally approached it as a separate setting. Ghosts of Saltmarsh isexplicitly set in Greyhawk, and there's a sidebar for using it in other settings. So the possibility exists for it to be used, but I kinda think it's going to get the FR treatment in that there might be future hardbacks tang are both gazetteers and adventures in one. And like the recent ones, it'll be separate map or accessory packs.
I have a suspicion that Greyhawk fans will be waiting quite a while longer on getting a "proper" 5e treatment of their setting. Five years or so. Because in five years it will be 2024, which is 50 years since D&D was originally released - and that makes a nostalgia product perfect.
 

jgsugden

Explorer
In a boxed set I want:

1.) A unique setting. It has to be a setting that is new to us.
2.) An adventure. You need to be able o sit down and play something that demonstrates the setting.
3.) Lore that is expressed independent of mechanics. I want to be able to branch out from that adventure with scores of adventure hooks... but I do not want to be stuck using this only for 5E. I want to be able to easily restat and use it in 6E or 7E.
 
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77IM

The Grand Druid (level 22)
Is this survey legit? The link is a redirect through Facebook, and I don't see the survey mentioned on dnd.wizards.com or dndbeyond.com. The survey has the standard "Dungeons & Dragons" survey image at the top, but that's easy to fake.
 

Parmandur

Adventurer
Is this survey legit? The link is a redirect through Facebook, and I don't see the survey mentioned on dnd.wizards.com or dndbeyond.com. The survey has the standard "Dungeons & Dragons" survey image at the top, but that's easy to fake.
The official D&D accounts shared it on Facebook and Twitter: it's legit, but it seems to be not something they wanted to make too big a deal about.
 

oknazevad

Villager
I have a suspicion that Greyhawk fans will be waiting quite a while longer on getting a "proper" 5e treatment of their setting. Five years or so. Because in five years it will be 2024, which is 50 years since D&D was originally released - and that makes a nostalgia product perfect.
I could see that. Except what constitutes a "proper" setting treatment? The format of that has varied over the years. As does the answer to the question of what level of content to include; does the product give a broad overview of the high-level aspects of a setting, or does it deal with the close-in aspects of the day-to-day NPCs? Or does it do both by having multiple products, with regional guides released after the main broad setting guide? Or does it focus on those gazetteers as part of a series of adventure modules? All have been done over the years. The last is how WOTC has been handling it during the 5e era (even The Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica contains some adventure material), and it's been rather successful for them. The fact that they left Saltmarsh in Greyhawk and didn't make it completely generic (not that Greyhawk isn't a rather generic setting) or shoehorn it only the Realms (as others believed they would) makes me think they're relaxing on the settings quite a bit.
 
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Staffan

Explorer
I could see that. Except what constitutes a "proper" setting treatment? The format of that has varied over the years. As does the answer to the question of what level of content to include; does the product give a broad overview of the high-level aspects of a setting, or does it deal with the close-in aspects of the day-to-day NPCs? Or does it do both by having multiple products, with regional guides released after the main broad setting guide? Or does it focus on those gazetteers as part of a series of adventure modules? All have been done over the years. The last is how WOTC has been handling it during the 5e era (even The Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica contains some adventure material), and it's been rather successful for them. The fact that they left Saltmarsh in Greyhawk and didn't make it completely generic (not that Greyhawk isn't a rather generic setting) or shoehorn it only the Realms (as others believed they would) makes me think they're relaxing on the settings quite a bit.
Well, the topic of the thread as a whole is about boxed sets, so presumably one of those. Or at least something on the scale of Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, describing a region in some detail and giving a short overview of the rest of the world.
 
It would be interesting, if probably unlikely, if the boxed set was for playing in Ravnica (or the MtG universe in general).

Put together a slim version of the Guildmaster's Guide, some character sheets, a bigger and new adventure in the setting plus the monster statblocks within it. Of course the map for Ravnica or whatever region they want to use. I was a little disapointed there hasn't been an official Ravnica adventure yet so this could scratch that itch.

It would probably depend upon the sales of the Guildmaster's Guide (if they're good this might happen, if they're not great then it won't). I haven't heard much bout it's sales so I'm not confident they're great.
 

Parmandur

Adventurer
It would be interesting, if probably unlikely, if the boxed set was for playing in Ravnica (or the MtG universe in general).

Put together a slim version of the Guildmaster's Guide, some character sheets, a bigger and new adventure in the setting plus the monster statblocks within it. Of course the map for Ravnica or whatever region they want to use. I was a little disapointed there hasn't been an official Ravnica adventure yet so this could scratch that itch.

It would probably depend upon the sales of the Guildmaster's Guide (if they're good this might happen, if they're not great then it won't). I haven't heard much bout it's sales so I'm not confident they're great.
Nate Stewart said on Spoilers & Swag that sales for Ravnica were excellent, and would be effecting their long term business strategy. A Ravnica box set seems possible, though they already have sold most of the contents under discussion in this survey for Ravnica last year (the "Maps & Miscellany" package, the dice set, and "Krenko's Way" cover most of the items involved).
 

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