NFL Week 12
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Stone Angel
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Yep good teams getting better worse teams getting worse. Manning looking like he is playing for the title of greatest of all time. Seahawks keep rollin and man is there a lot of adrenaline in Ohio today.
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msd
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Stone Angel said:
I hope you're kidding with this...
Manning is a good quarterback, but he has lost every time when it has counted. In three years at UT, he could not beat Florida. He specifically came back his fourth year to beat Florida...and lost.
AFC Championship last year in which he claim Belicheck would have no chance of befuddling him...totally befuddled. Opening game of this season when he claimed he finally had Belicheck figured out...loss.
Everyone talks about Manning and says that if Indy had a halfway decent defense that Manning would win it all. Puh-lease. If half of the quarterbacks in this league had Manning's receiving corps...
Manning is good...he's very very very good. Greatest of all time when he has not sniffed of the Super Bowl. Not even close.
Crothian
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Super Bowls and Greatest of All Time really do not have much synergy. Football is a team sport, it takes more then the Greatest QB to get to and win one. Manning is on his way, and just becasue he hasn't won the Big Game yet, doesn't matyter. Elway took forever to win it, and Marino and Fran Tarkenton never did. But they are all great QBs and in the talk when people converse about greatest of all time.
It takes a career and right now Manning's isn't done.
It takes a career and right now Manning's isn't done.
msd
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Crothian said:
I completely disagree but I'm willing to agree that reasonable people can differ on this one.
Crothian said:
And that's why they're never mentioned in the same breath with guys like Montana, Starr, and other guys were great and who did win it...
Again, I don't take issue with the fact that he's good. I take serious issue with the headed towards the greatest ever notion.
Crothian
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Marino is mentioned in the smae sentances with Montana and Starr....and the only one to win 4 Supoer Bowls, Bradshaw, isn't mentioned at all. Super Bowls do help, but even Elway was talked about as one of the best before he won his two.
But the post season this year will be very interesting as the teams in the AFC that make it are really looking damn good.
But the post season this year will be very interesting as the teams in the AFC that make it are really looking damn good.
msd said:
If Favre sticks around for two more years after this year, and has normal (for Brett Favre) numbers, he'll break a lot of Marino's records (which will then be broken by Manning). I'm a shameless Packers fan, but I don't see how Brett's 1-1 record in Super Bowls would magically make him better than Marino (who's 0-1).
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drothgery said:
I'm not sure who in this thread suggested it would. Personally, I said that reasonable people could disagree as to whether a quarterback has to have won the super bowl to be labelled the best quarterback ever (because remember...that is what was originally posited).
The only thing I've ever said in this thread is that it is a bit pre-mature to label Peyton Manning as being on the road to being the *best quarterback ever* in the history of the game.
Mark
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msd said:
I disagree. It might be premature to say he IS the best ever, but it is no stretch whatsoever to say that he is not only "on the road" but very far along that road. How long does he have to play as well as he has been playing in his career for you to say that he is on the road?
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