No More Reptiles with Boobs!

[Olgar Shiverstone]

I've got a solution: no dragonborn in 5E. There, I fixed it.

You can have half-dragons instead.

 

[Ratinyourwalls]

I've got a solution: no dragonborn in 5E. There, I fixed it.

You can have half-dragons instead.

Dragonborn are a pretty popular choice for newer players in 4E around here. A lot of people ask to play as one (even in my Pathfinder games!) I know a lot of them would be upset if they were told they couldn't play as one. I really hope they keep Dragonborn as a core race.

 

[Wormwood]

Dragonborn are a pretty popular choice for newer players in 4E around here. A lot of people ask to play as one (even in my Pathfinder games!) I know a lot of them would be upset if they were told they couldn't play as one. I really hope they keep Dragonborn as a core race.

My cost:benefit analysis concludes it would be better to have the option available at launch instead of forcing dragonborn lovers to wait for a supplement. After all (and you *knew* this was coming) it's trivial to exclude them if they aren't to your liking.

 

[Sylrae]

Would everyone be happier if the creation myth was half dragons?

Hmm. Or perhaps some weird mutant halfdragons or something (since half-dragons are already a thing). But yes. If that was the "official" creation myth, it would not irritate me nearly as much. I suppose they could be "Halfdragons", and 3.x Half-Dragons could be like the dragon equivalent of genasi. That would work out okay.

Alternately, I can accept pretty much any ridiculous monster, via "A wizard did it" + making the creature an aberration. But aberration seems to mostly mean "magical experiment gone horribly wrong."

So, you want a more sci-fi approach to magic than a mythological one?

I guess so. But I still want "wiggle your fingers, say some words, and fire shoots out." I only really want the scifi approach when it comes to making new life.

I've got a solution: no dragonborn in 5E. There, I fixed it.

That wouldn't bother me much.

Dragonborn are a pretty popular choice for newer players in 4E around here. A lot of people ask to play as one (even in my Pathfinder games!) I know a lot of them would be upset if they were told they couldn't play as one. I really hope they keep Dragonborn as a core race.

My cost:benefit analysis concludes it would be better to have the option available at launch instead of forcing dragonborn lovers to wait for a supplement. After all (and you *knew* this was coming) it's trivial to exclude them if they aren't to your liking.

I think my biggest gripe with the dragonborn isn't that I don't like them, because as you mentioned, you *Can* exclude them. My biggest gripe is that they /included/ a creature I think is kindof.. crap; and made it the only option, by not including any material on the three existing races of dragon people, which I thought were all pretty cool.

If they include all 4 (Dragonkin, Draconians, Half-Dragons, and Dragonborn), it becomes a hell of alot easier to just use the ones I like/will put up with.

 

[SlyDoubt]

It's a game played by humans. We use secondary sex characteristics to identify and understand things.

Dragonborn are hideous wastes of space anyway. The all have massive underbites for some reason. They were, imho, a badddddd move.

I would actually love to see 5E have all unique new races. Won't happen but it would be ballsy and cool as hell.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Super Dragoniobros will probably be an option in 5e, and, yes, they will probably have dragonbewbs.

Don't like 'em? Don't use 'em. 5e keeps going on and on about this "modularity" thing, and individual races are one of the most modular D&D elements in any edition, period. 5e probably won't assume that everyone wants dragonbonks in their games, so, unlike 4e, you I won't have to put up with reading their name in all the books anymore and thinking that it's a really, really, really silly-sounding name.

Dragonbark!

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I am not 100 % sure I like the Dragonborn as they are envisioned in D&D 4.
The mechanics are fine, and I think their culture is fine, too.

The creation myth... I think I prefer the idea of the Dragonborn being somethink like Half-Dragons from an ancient time (The Arkhosian Empire perhaps). The 4E Half-Elves and Half-Orcs have become their own race after many years of intermingling as well. And maybe Half-Dragons are more like Tieflings, in that they were "corrupted" by using Dragon Magic, rather than the Dragons being like Zeus in their mating habits.

If they include all 4 (Dragonkin, Draconians, Half-Dragons, and Dragonborn), it becomes a hell of alot easier to just use the ones I like/will put up with.

Maybe an approach is to provide alternative creation myths. Some say the first Dragonborns where offspring of humanoid and shapeshifting Dragons (Half-Dragon). Others say Io created them in his image (Dragonborn). Others may say they developed when the first humans mastered arcane magic from the Dragons and infused themselves with draconic power (Draconians?). Others may say they were created by Dragons, as a slave race perhaps (Dragonkin?).

That all doesn't change that I am okay with or without Dragonboobs.

 

[Sylrae]

Maybe an approach is to provide alternative creation myths. Some say the first Dragonborns where offspring of humanoid and shapeshifting Dragons (Half-Dragon). Others say Io created them in his image (Dragonborn). Others may say they developed when the first humans mastered arcane magic from the Dragons and infused themselves with draconic power (Draconians?). Others may say they were created by Dragons, as a slave race perhaps (Dragonkin?).

Hmm. I wouldnt be at all satisfied with this. The various dragon races are all quite different.

Draconians are lesser dragons that worship true dragons. They're medium, have wings and tails, and iirc can petrify you.

Half-Dragons are varied, and provide dragon-like abilities and the dragon type to all manner of different creatures. I like templates as a GM.

On a human, they basically still look human. Draconic facial features, and claws, and breath weapons, but they don't generally have a full dragons head, or a big bulky build, and they aren't usually covered in scales. They look like the dragon equivalent of a yuanti.

Dragonkin are distantly related to dragons. Essentially they're lesser dragons. They live tribally, and have a type, matching up with the types of dragons. Theyre large, and have wings, tails, and claws. They have breath weapons.

That all doesn't change that I am okay with or without Dragonboobs.

After this thread, I've realized I'm okay with other people having them so long as they give me the alternatives we used to have so I can just ignore dragonborn like I do warforged.

 

[Felon]

All I wanna know is we can have cat-ladies with six boobs bustin' out of a triple-decker brassiere.

 

[LurkAway]

The female dragonborn have fooled everyone. See, they don't actually have breasts. Decades ago, when dragonborn first came into contact with human civilization, many female dragonborn became annoyed that everyone was calling them "Mister". Other female dragonborn felt like outcasts and wanted to integrate better with human society. Thus it became fashionable for them to stuff their blouses with two mounds of cotton, or wear boob-molded armor. It's only when you travel to dragonborn-only settlements that you will see boobless dragonborn, but you don't ever hear about them because none of them have ever modelled for Wayne Reynolds.