No! No! Baaaaaaad Marvel Comics!

[Matchstick]

Sadly, it appears that episode won't be on The Tick Vs Season Two, apparently because Marvel got all pissy with them about it.

Well crud.

http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/ep7/destroy.wav

 

[Arnwyn]

Very well, then, but if you're not going to go see the movie, don't complain about it.

On the internet? WTF?

It's the other way around. You don't have to read such posts.

 

[Randolpho]

On the internet? WTF?

It's the other way around. You don't have to read such posts.

Heh... touche. Allow me to amend:

... don't complain about it and expect anyone to actually take you seriously.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I think what he was saying is that the indication seems to be that the power-switching was some sort of *side-effect* of contact with the Surfer. If there was some reason to believe that SS did it on purpose then I missed it.

Even if that were true, that only means that the SS needs to brush up against you, then blast you to atoms as you reel in your power-switched confusion.

Yes, the fact that it was never done in the comics is very bad writing. Like most comics, to make the stories work, various super-powered individuals have to periodically forget the full extent of their myriad powers. I'm surprised that you are just now figuring this out.

Like I said, I stopped reading 99% of comics in 1996, partly because of bad writing...

like when Spider-Man (not hopped up on any Capt. Universe powers or anything) dropped Firelord in single combat...

...or when Electro figured out Spider-Man stuck to the walls due to static electricity...

etc.

Aren't we lucky that the movies have been made to correct this error?

Not if their writing is just as bad.

people stayed away in droves. However, it did well enough to spawn a sequel.

$156,000,000 domestic, $329,000,000 worldwide according to the wiki entry.

X-Men 3 did 1/3 of that in one weekend.

By way of comparison, Eddie Murphy's Coming to America did just as well as FF did, but did so in 1988...with a production budget of $30M. And at that, it actually lost money after figuring in distribution and marketing costs.*

IOW, it was hardly a success.

*In all fairness, part of that loss is attributable to Hollywood accounting methods which are notoriously wonky- see the lawsuit that Art Buchwald filed vs Coming to America's producers, or the one Israel filed vs the producers of Raid on Entebbe.

But that system hasn't changed appreciably.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Even if that were true, that only means that the SS needs to brush up against you, then blast you to atoms as you reel in your power-switched confusion.

Does the Surfer even know, though?

Really, he uses the Power Cosmic...the FF got their powers from Cosmic Radiation. What are the chances those two things will come together? Probably low, so who knows the side effects.

There's a ton of ways to rationalize this very easily, even moreso than many of the contrivancies in the original Silver Surfer/Galactus storyline. Is it different? Yes. But different does not automatically mean bad, especially since we barely have anymore than bits of the story.

 

[Megatron]

Just skimmed the first page, but...

The power switching is their attempt at at a Super Skrull, with out introducing the Skrull.
Also Galactus is a cosmic storm cloud. - taking the same route as Gah Lak Tus, but worse.
Doom rides the silver Surfboard




This whole movie looks horrid.

edit1: Also, Cosmic Rays (which empowered the FF) != The Power Cosmic (which is more akin to a divine spark, a fundamental force)

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Also Galactus is a cosmic storm cloud. - taking the same route as Gah Lak Tus, but worse.

That's not true at all, and was a rumour that flew around like crazy. I'd suggest looking at my post on the first page...there's an image of a VERY Galactus-shaped shadow cast on Saturn...and its from one of the trailers.

edit1: Also, Cosmic Rays (which empowered the FF) != The Power Cosmic (which is more akin to a divine spark, a fundamental force)

Nope, they aren't the same, but its not a stretch to explain power switching by saying these two things interact in unexpected ways. No more a stretch than the Ultimate Nullifier...

 

[Agamon]

I don't think this plot change is arbitrary. Having the FF change powers gives Reed the idea to give all of their powers to one person in order to defeat the Surfer (everyone has seen the clip with the stretchy, flaming guy that punches Surfer with a rocky fist, yes?) It hints at something from FF lore (Super Skrull). And the power change thing will be humorous, I assume. It's not completely unnecessary, and it's not completely out there. Has Surfer done that in the comics? No, but it's not so much a stretch to make it work in the movie.

 

[Silver Moon]

This thread inspired me to dig out FF 48-50 which I read last night. A very good story for the mid-1960's but not what I would call the best material for a 2007 screenplay. I'm going to just sit back and enjoy the movie without any pre-conceived notions as to exactly what should be on the screen.

 

[Darth Shoju]

Even if that were true, that only means that the SS needs to brush up against you, then blast you to atoms as you reel in your power-switched confusion.

Well we don't really know the circumstances around the power switch. It could be more complicated or circumstantial than that. Also, couldn't the Surfer pretty much reduce any one of the FF to atoms *without* switching their powers first?

like when Spider-Man (not hopped up on any Capt. Universe powers or anything) dropped Firelord in single combat...

Wasn't he wearing the venom costume at the time? Also I think there was a combo of Firelord not really looking for a fight and severely underestimating Spidey.

X-Men 3 did 1/3 of that in one weekend.

By way of comparison, Eddie Murphy's Coming to America did just as well as FF did, but did so in 1988...with a production budget of $30M. And at that, it actually lost money after figuring in distribution and marketing costs.*

IOW, it was hardly a success.

Well I'm hardly an expert on this stuff but those sound like good numbers to me (for FF). Would they have made a sequel if it had lost money?