No spell resistance vs. Orb spells? Why?

[James McMurray]

And frankly, I'd change the wording to:

c: The PHB's general descriptions do not cover all individual cases and in this instance the designers felt it appropriate to weren't paying attention when they allowed Conjuration (Creation) spells to create energy.​

If you insist on being insulting that's a fine interpretation. But whatever the reasons for it making it into the book, it hasn't been changed yet, so either they're fine with it or they don't care enough to issue an erratta.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I have no problem with them. 1d8 every two levels is half as powerful as a fireball, and for one target. SR? Never comes up so its never a problem? Can you collect them afterwords? They are instantaneous..You fire, they hit something and go boom. Duh? Can you collect a fireball after you shot one?

Create Water is instantaneous. Can you collect the water afterwards?

The difference is that Create Water and the Orb spells are instantaneous Conjuration [Creation] spells, while Fireball is not.

-Hyp.

 

[Nail]

Never said they were. you seem to have developed a habit of replying to things I haven't said in the last few threads.

??

You said: "I wouldn't freak out about it"

I said: "I don't think anyone's freaking out".

Now you're saying "You are replying to things I haven't said?"

....ohhh-kay.

 

[James McMurray]

I said I wouldn't freak out about it. I never said other people were freaking out about it.

 

[Notmousse]

Not that I doubt you or anything, but is there an actual quote or ruling you could point to in the PHB or DMG regarding "fire needs fuel to sustain it"???

Every source of fire I've seen requires fuel, from torches to lamps to lanterns to alchemist's fires. While not written out explicitely I believe that it wouldn't be against the RAI (not to mention the dreaded common sense) that fire needs fuel.

 

[Nail]

In my opinion, the Orb spells are imbalanced.

If you removed the "no SR" from them, they would be balanced.

If you then also changed them from Conjuration to Evocation, they would be properly placed (but this is more of a flavor thing, I like the spell school rules to be as close to consistent as possible).

Me too.

If you moved them from Conjuration to Evocation, then they would (because of consistancy) no longer be "SR = No".

 

[Nail]

I said I wouldn't freak out about it. I never said other people were freaking out about it.

Either you or I should drop this part of the discussion, but....oh heck, I can't help it.

You said "I wouldn't freak out", which - in context - implies that others shouldn't freak out either.

 

[James McMurray]

Either you or I should drop this part of the discussion, but....oh heck, I can't help it.

You said "I wouldn't freak out", which - in context - implies that others shouldn't freak out either.

Yes, I definitely think we should drop it, and no. I can't either.

Yes, I think others shouldn't freak out about it. But I don't think anyone has freaked out about it either. There's yet to be any cursing, all-capsing, or strong flaming involved. If any of that happens I'll switch from "I wouldn't freak out" to "dude, why are you freaking out?"

 

[Nail]

Yes, I definitely think we should drop it, and no. I can't either.

"OCD, I've arrived!"

 

[Nail]

People who for whatever reason are arguing that the orb spells are fair with no SR (notwithstanding my math which you guys have all ignored), ....

It's not ignored...it's just not easily refutable.