D&D (2024) Not a fan of the new Eldritch Knight

[UngeheuerLich]

Treantmonk is wrong because you don't even need to use a staff at all, you can cast Shilleleagh on a club

In that case you need another hand to access your mistletoe though.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

In that case you need another hand to access your mistletoe though.

Mistletoe is a parasite, growing on trees. Clubs are made out of trees. So you can use a club with mistletoe growing on it.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

There is nothing wrong with that, but you are not getting much mileage out of many of your subclass features if you do that.

Exactly why?

A fighter can easily max str and max int. And having only 16 or 18 int does not make those features useless.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Mistletoe is a parasite, growing on trees. Clubs are made out of trees. So you can use a club with mistletoe growing on it.

Hmmh. Nice idea. If your DM is ok with that. I would not oppose it. You probably need to replace that mistletoe club after every fight though.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

Hmmh. Nice idea. If your DM is ok with that. I would not oppose it. You probably need to replace that mistletoe club after every fight though.

Just hang the mistletoe on your hat. Always handy for combat and comes in useful in social situations!

 

[clearstream]

The quoted text is directly from the 2014 basic rules, under Material components: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/spellcasting#MaterialM

That's intriguing. There's text in the 2014 Basic Rules that isn't in my print PHB, nor in any current version of the 2024 rules.

They either decided they didn't need it, which is inexplicable given they formerly decided they needed it, or they decided to revoke it. Alternatively, it could be a plain oversight... but the text has to be let stand else one can say anything one dislikes is an oversight and we're back to house rules. Anyway, the rule for 2014 is clear.

Remember that the 2014 rules are written i "natural language", so it's not super precise. If you read a rule and it appears not to do anything, it's probably meant to be read another way. The rule allowing you to perform somatic components with the same hand holding a holy symbol would be pointless if you were still required to have a free hand.

There is no rule allowing you to "perform somatic components with the same hand holding a holy symbol" in the current 2024 text. The text does not say that.

A holy symbol continues to let a cleric use a shield as a spellcasting focus to obviate free material components exactly as designed.

One can RAI that it still works as 2014. With luck the 2024 RAW will eventually be updated in a way that also serves EKs.

 

[clearstream]

Exactly why?

A fighter can easily max str and max int. And having only 16 or 18 int does not make those features useless.

True, and an effective complementary approach is taking only spells that don't have attack rolls or saving throws.

 

[clearstream]

@Sorcerers Apprentice Based on our conversation so far, at the table I'd RAI that 2024 Clerics and Paladins can use their emblems for somatic components and house rule a similar feature into EK spellcasting. Some sort of arcane emblem that matches the divine one. Most likely counting their bonded weapons as focuses.

Rangers are covered through being able to use club or quarterstaff. FTM I wonder if treantmonk would agree with that?

 

[ECMO3]

Exactly why?

A fighter can easily max str and max int. And having only 16 or 18 int does not make those features useless.

What you quoted was a reply. The post I replied to gave 5 examples only one of which even used Intelligence.

Of the 5 examples in the post I replied to; none of them involve using the 10th, 15th or 18th level EK features at all. Only two of the five would use the 7th level feature and one of those two would use it very sparingly.

Hence my comment that that play style does not get mileage out of much of the subclass features.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

What you quoted was a reply. The post I replied to gave 5 examples only one of which even used Intelligence.

Of the 5 examples in the post I replied to; none of them involve using the 10th, 15th or 18th level EK features at all. Only two of the five would use the 7th level feature and one of those two would use it very sparingly.

Hence my comment that that play style does not get mileage out of much of the subclass features.

That's fair.

But you could use all those without dumping int and still notnusing shillelagh.