OOC Kingdom of Ashes V - Brood city, baby!

[The_Universe]

I have an idea!

What if we offer him the cake?!

GENIUS!

Problem solved! You just won D&D!

*Confetti and balloons fall from the sky, and the sound of kazoos echoes in your ears*

Seriously, though....I'd REALLY appreciated it if we didn't have a repeat of last weekend, where an entirely new tangent of discussion was introduced the day before the game. Discuss and decide the stuff now, I'm begging you.

Lest there be any doubt, I will note: It is important to me that you do so. I am not idly encouraging you (at least, not in this case).

Thanks gang! The game is really in the home stretch, and I need your help to make sure it has a fitting finale.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

When it comes to land, we do not want to encourage the Bluestar to go off conquring foreign lands--don't want him taking over the ninja people's land in the west... so, I think we need to promise him some chunk of land somewhere and make him agree that he will not expand his "empire" after that...

But, in order to get that land, he has to rid himself of all undead troops and maintain a voluntary or merc. army.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Land Options - something we give:
(1) We give him what he takes - bad idea.
(2) We give him a certain percentage of what he takes - possibility.
(3) We offer him a specific chunk now, he gets it when we win - possibility.

Wizardry - something we give:
(1) He can establish his own school of Wizardry that our students can study at.
(2) We allow his students to study at our school of Wizardry.
*These are both possible.

Army Options - something he looses:
(1) He must, over the next so many years (say 75-100) re-deadify all of his undead soliders and replace them with voluntary/merc armies - in a perfect world, this would be the solution... but, probably not going to get him to bite.
(2) No undead in new lands (south of the wall) - possibility.
(3) No new undead may be created - not incredibly likely... but, it would be nice.

 

[The_Universe]

don't want him taking over the ninja people's land in the west...

Just for clarification, this land is currently controlled by Draconids. Either way, Big Blue seems pretty well fixated on the current continent.

 

[The_Universe]

GREAT! Well ranked and well thought!

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

We also need to determine *HOW* we are going to go about talking with Big Blue... this is kind of like a debate round- or, at least that's the way I think about it. So, there are several options:
First Option:
(1) Big Blue presents first (we'll call this the Undead Constructive)... he lays out what he wants to achieve while detailing what he expects us to give up.
(2) Circle presents second (we'll call this the Phoenix Constructive)... we lay out what we want and what we expect Big Blue to give up.
(3) The rebuttals begin... we look over each of our options and chip away at each plan until they meld into one plan.

Second Option:
Reverse #1 and #2 of First Option.

Each position has its advantages... if we know what Big Blue wants before we offer our ideas, we can save a lot of time negotiating by attempting to offer things that fit well within his plan. However, if we go first, it offers us a sort of 'upper hand' in that it makes it seem like we have a little more control... even if we don't.

Next, we need to determine how we want to present our Phoenix Constructive... do we want to have it be very "middle of the road" (ie, you will be allowed your freedom, you will get X amount of land, your students will be accepted into our school of Wizardry) or do we want to initially present the extremems that we want (ie, you will completely disarm in 10 years, you will gain no new land, you will wear pink socks every day for the rest of your life, and you will supply us with an unlimited supply of cake from now until eternity).

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

In short our presentation options are:

(1) Us first and take the middle road.
(2) Us first and take the extreme road.
(3) Him first and take the middle road.
(4) Him first and take the extreme road.

What do we think, kiddies?

 

[The_Universe]

We also need to determine *HOW* we are going to go about talking with Big Blue... this is kind of like a debate round- or, at least that's the way I think about it. So, there are several options:
First Option:
(1) Big Blue presents first (we'll call this the Undead Constructive)... he lays out what he wants to achieve while detailing what he expects us to give up.
(2) Circle presents second (we'll call this the Phoenix Constructive)... we lay out what we want and what we expect Big Blue to give up.
(3) The rebuttals begin... we look over each of our options and chip away at each plan until they meld into one plan.

Second Option:
Reverse #1 and #2 of First Option.

Each position has its advantages... if we know what Big Blue wants before we offer our ideas, we can save a lot of time negotiating by attempting to offer things that fit well within his plan. However, if we go first, it offers us a sort of 'upper hand' in that it makes it seem like we have a little more control... even if we don't.

Next, we need to determine how we want to present our Phoenix Constructive... do we want to have it be very "middle of the road" (ie, you will be allowed your freedom, you will get X amount of land, your students will be accepted into our school of Wizardry) or do we want to initially present the extremems that we want (ie, you will completely disarm in 10 years, you will gain no new land, you will wear pink socks every day for the rest of your life, and you will supply us with an unlimited supply of cake from now until eternity).

This is completely a matter of preference and strategy. Since Jaine will not be there, she wants you to choose how you want do it. All of Liz's options have their advantages and disadvantages. By choosing how you want to present your stuff, you can really work out *what* you're going to present.

(Also, it's probably a good idea to get everything you agree to in writing. Someone will either have to scribe the proceedings (difficult) or we need to start with a written "contract" that we can modify. But that's procedural, not substantive. Let's get the substantive stuff figured, first!)

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

(Also, it's probably a good idea to get everything you agree to in writing. Someone will either have to scribe the proceedings (difficult) or we need to start with a written "contract" that we can modify. But that's procedural, not substantive. Let's get the substantive stuff figured, first!)

What we are going to present also depends on when and how we are going to present it, though... which is why we need to know what "road" we are going to take in our "official" presentation.

But, as much as I want to get everything penned out right now, it looks like we are the only two on the boards... so, I can talk all I want, but nothing'll get figured out.

 

[Archon]

Hey, hey, he's our man if he can't do it-GREAT!!!!

i'm on the boards too, but mostly in a supportive, "Go get'em team!" sort of way.

mik