Order your Star Wars films

Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
So I've been giving this a lot of thought. Too much, probably, but it's well past time. I'm getting an early start on my New Year's resolutions this year.

I love Star Wars. I love every part of it, from it's silly new age mysticism and flagrant disregard for any and all laws of physics, to it's hella sweet laser swords and star fighter laser battles pew pew pew pew. I love the broad, arch characters, the batcrap insane world building, and the slavish adherence to the discredited nonsense theories of Joseph Campbell. I love its deconstructions and its reconstructions. Hell, even the prequels aren't without their moments. Yes, even Attack of the Clones. Star Wars makes me feel like a kid again in a way nothing else ever does or ever will.

You know what I hate? You don't know what I'm OVER? The "discourse". I'm beyond exhausted by it. I hate how it's been dominated by bad faith "fanboys" and their disastrous agenda that stands in sharp contrast to everything Star Wars has ever stood for. I'm beyond tired of gifting my time and energy to sealions who can't be bothered to address facts that contradict them, because the argument has never been the point. They are psychic vampires and I'm done letting them exhaust me.

I know this is considered bad form here, but I think it's important for me to take about. I've never used the ignore feature on this board before. In all the threads about race or gender or sexual harassment, I've never been once tempted to use it. I've always considered it important to try to understand the beliefs of others. Hell I'm trans, and I haven't ignored anyone with a poor grasp of either grammar or biology. This thread was the final straw for me.

Star Wars brings out the kid in me. It is FUN. It makes me smile in a way few other things do. And I'm done engaging with bad faith sealioning trolls who want to ruin that for me.
 

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Updated rankings after seeing The Rise of Skywalker:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars

3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One

5. The Last Jedi (yeah, I moved this one up a couple spots)
6. The Force Awakens
7. Solo

8. Revenge of the Sith

9. The Rise of Skywalker
10. The Phantom Menace

11 (million, billion). Attack of the Clones
 


billd91

Hobbit on Quest (he/him)
Now that I've seen Rise of Skywalker (just one viewing so far), my updated order:

Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Last Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
 


Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
This is the first time I've heard of this. Care to explain more? How have Campbell's "nonsense theories" been discredited?

I mean, it's more that Campbell's universalizations leave out the storytelling traditions of most of the planet. You'll never guess which cultures didn't factor in to his research!

It's not a bad a way to write a story (as Lucas has proved; it's also served Disney well for decades at this point) but it's neither (a) the only way to tell a heroic story, nor (b) have all stories across the globe and throughout history conformed even remotely close to it, which were Campbell's key assertions.
 

khantroll

Explorer
Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Star Wars
Ewoks: Battle for Endor
Ewoks: Caravan of Courage
Phantom Menace
Rogue 1
Droids
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
The Clone Wars
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Last Jedi
Rise of Skywalker
Holiday Special
 

pukunui

Legend
I mean, it's more that Campbell's universalizations leave out the storytelling traditions of most of the planet. You'll never guess which cultures didn't factor in to his research!

It's not a bad a way to write a story (as Lucas has proved; it's also served Disney well for decades at this point) but it's neither (a) the only way to tell a heroic story, nor (b) have all stories across the globe and throughout history conformed even remotely close to it, which were Campbell's key assertions.
Ah OK. Truth be told I’ve never actually read Campbell myself.
 

Mallus

Legend
1. Star Wars
2. The Last Jedi
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi/The Rise of Skywalker (tie)
5. The Force Awakens
6. Rogue One
7. Solo
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Attack of the Clones
10. The Phantom Menace
 

Vael

Hero
As of Xmas Eve:
1. Star Wars
2. The Last Jedi
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Rise of Skywalker
8. Solo
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Revenge of the Sith
11. Attack of the Clones
 


Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
I mean, it's more that Campbell's universalizations leave out the storytelling traditions of most of the planet. You'll never guess which cultures didn't factor in to his research!

It's not a bad a way to write a story (as Lucas has proved; it's also served Disney well for decades at this point) but it's neither (a) the only way to tell a heroic story, nor (b) have all stories across the globe and throughout history conformed even remotely close to it, which were Campbell's key assertions.
 


Mercurius

Legend

Oh, OK - sorry, I guess I should have read on ;).

I don't disagree that they're not as universal as Campbell claimed, or that there are other ways to tell a heroic story. We're in general agreement on both accounts. But I don't think that "discredits" the meaningfulness of his ideas. And it is important to understand that he wasn't primarily talking about telling stories--that came later, when people applied his work to screenwriting and such--but the human journey.

I do think that the basic idea of the "hero's journey" is rather universal, although the landscape can be quite different and variable. That is, how it unfolds is different for each and every one of us, but there are underlying archetypal patterns. Campbell was riffing off of Jung, and so his work should be understood archetypally and not literally. In other words, he was talking about deep mythic patterns in consciousness, collective and individual, not quantifiable mechanisms.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
Really? Third best opening weekend of all time, behind the other two sequels. Is there any doubt that this is going to be a success?

The opening underperformed it came right on the bottom of the projections.

Well know more on Monday or so the drop off is key. It hasn't broken even yet.

I don't think it will flop but one way or another you can make some good predictions after the second weekend.
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
Really? Third best opening weekend of all time, behind the other two sequels. Is there any doubt that this is going to be a success?
I'll predict that RoS makes back its own expenses (and provides the management team with a nice bonus check) plus some, but will not provide the next Star Wars movie with an adequate cash bankroll, ready-to-spend.
 

Hussar

Legend
Holy crap. How well does it need to do? Third best of all time isn’t good enough. What it’s not a success if it doesn’t do better than the one before it? Talk about goal posts on roller skates.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Holy crap. How well does it need to do? Third best of all time isn’t good enough. What it’s not a success if it doesn’t do better than the one before it? Talk about goal posts on roller skates.

Figure thrown about is a billion dollar expectation.

It's break even point is somewhere probably around 600-700 million but could be close to 800 million.

If they "only" make a billion their profit is a couple of hundred million minus tax. Possibly less.

They get about 60% of the box office on average, less in foreign markets. The problem being they've probably spent 250+ million to make it, and 100 million+ on marketing and that's probably conservative on the marketing.

Note they made 700 million on TFA on 2 billion dollars. TLJ made 1.3 billion but it hits their profit. TLJ had a big drop off week 2, their movie got less than TLJ opening weekend.

If they've spent more like 400+ million on 1 billion they make "only" 200 million. And some estimates of the movie costs are higher than 400 million.

Movie might bomb if they get much lower than a billion or come close to it.

If the movie drops 25-30% week that's good. If it drops 70% that's bad and yeah could be interesting.

3 numbers

They get about 60% if the box office

Break even is roughly double the movie+ marketing costs. Usually slightly less.

60% of the box office is first 2 weeks.

We'll have a rough idea how well the movie will do by looking at the drop off this week and maybe one after it.
 
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