(OT) Star Trek Nemesis

[Skade]

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I had my doubts about this one, but I went to see and thoroghly enjoyed it. I went with my Dad (I'm 27 BTW) who is who corrupted my young mind with Star Trek in the first place, and he was not impressed. I think it strayed to far from his normal perceptions of the Next generation series. There was a lot to enjoy about it. There was significantly more action than usual, from a dune buggy chase scene, and a Scropion Class Attack Flier flying through the corridors of a Warbird, bith of which could have come out of a James Bond flick. The story line involving Data and his brother was interesting, though it served only to again bring home the Pinochio motif.

As to not possible...I have three words for you-Suspension of Disbelief. It keeps me going each day. There are always a few things that anyone who either is interested in science, or even religiously watches the show will have a problem with. I did. It is not difficult to see the Romulans getting ahold of Picard's DNA though. He was on Romulus at one time, and has dealt with them on multiple occassions. Their research into cloning could make it such that a very small, but excellent sample would suffice.

-kane

 

[Assenpfeffer]

Still, Star Trek II is better. I guess it comes from the fact that when I was younger I was more impressionable than I am now.

I don't think so - STII is a flat-out better movie.

This is the worst of the even-numbered Treks, and worse than a couple of the odd-numbered ones. It's weakly plotted, poorly acted, has dialogue even the stalwart Patrick Stewart has to struggle delivering with a straight face, and, worst of all, the villain is a lamer in a contume obviously stolen from the set pf Hellraiser IV.

Star Trek is dead.

 

[EarthsShadow]

I still said Wrath of Khan is a better movie, and I don't think Star Trek is dead.

On a personal note, I would like to see Sisko from DS9 as a Captain in the next movie, but then again DS9 is my favorite of all the shows (and I am sure I am in the minority here).

What if they made their next movie not based on any of the tv shows and went with completely different people, and this crew was just for a few new movies? would that work?

 

[orbitalfreak]

(and I am sure I am in the minority here)

Sure? This Poll says you're only in second place.

Nay-sayers aside, I am looking forward to seeing Nemesis.

 

[EricNoah]

What if they made their next movie not based on any of the tv shows and went with completely different people, and this crew was just for a few new movies? would that work?

They would need talented science fiction writers (instead of soap opera writers who use technobable to fill in anything they would normally do with a D&D spell).

Sorry, sorry, that was probably uncalled for. But, darn it, a science fiction movie should have a great sci-fi premise or twist. Especially if, as you're proposing, they are not going to lean heavily on our knowledge of and fondness for recurring characters.

 

[ColonelHardisson]

They would need talented science fiction writers (instead of soap opera writers who use technobable to fill in anything they would normally do with a D&D spell).

Sorry, sorry, that was probably uncalled for. But, darn it, a science fiction movie should have a great sci-fi premise or twist. Especially if, as you're proposing, they are not going to lean heavily on our knowledge of and fondness for recurring characters.

Actually, you're dead-on correct in your assessment of the writing. Trek, as well as many scifi TV shows, including some that are currently running, seem preoccupied with getting away from the scifi trappings. How many times have we seen someone involved with a scifi TV show or movie say something like "well, it isn't a scifi show, really..." and proceed to tell us how it is more of a Western or a war movie or that "it's about relationships"? Sometimes it seems that these folk go out of their way to eschew anything that smacks of real science in favor of emphasizing the soap operatic elements that apparently qualify as "real" art.

The problem is, these are people who often have no real love or knowledge of the genre. What they know is what they've seen on other TV shows or the current hot movie. If they actually knew the genre well, especially the literature, they'd know that scifi is about the human condition also. Certainly scifi is about ideas, but it is also about how humans will react to or live with the results of those ideas. In such a way scifi explores what makes us human, at a very basic level, by stripping away much of what is familiar to us now and exposing what is essentially human, what will remain long after current cultural influences are gone.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I have one question.

Do they, at any point, resort to the Star Trek get-out clause of "I know, we'll re-align the quantum doo-dah to make the bing-bong more doodlyflip!"

Because I am getting very bored of technobabble.

PS: Tom Hardy, who plays Shinzon, went to the same drama school as me.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I don't think so - STII is a flat-out better movie.

This is the worst of the even-numbered Treks, and worse than a couple of the odd-numbered ones. It's weakly plotted, poorly acted, has dialogue even the stalwart Patrick Stewart has to struggle delivering with a straight face, and, worst of all, the villain is a lamer in a contume obviously stolen from the set pf Hellraiser IV.

Star Trek is dead.

I haven't seen the last couple movies, even when they came on cable. I liked DS9, but not Voyager, and Enterprise has lost my interest.

The original star trek movies were Grander than the series. The NG movies have all felt like an episode that got stretched out.

DS9 had some nice space battles, I can't see going to a movie just for one on a big screen.

So, IOW, for me, ST has been dead for a while now.

 

[KenM]

On a personal note, I would like to see Sisko from DS9 as a Captain in the next movie, but then again DS9 is my favorite of all the shows (and I am sure I am in the minority here).

I would love to see him, too. Loved the actor in Spenser: for hire. But if i remeber right, Sisko dies or something like that at end of DS9.

 

[EarthsShadow]

I would love to see him, too. Loved the actor in Spenser: for hire. But if i remeber right, Sisko dies or something like that at end of DS9.

I didn't see the end, but I thought he joined the Prophets or whatever they are called.

I think that they need 'Q' in the next movie to stur up some trouble for them, have Sisko in as Captain, and some enemy from the past that everyone thought was dead. But no Dominion plot, they had enough of that in DS9.

And it would be entirely plausible to have a movie or two centered on DS9, that show had more character development in it than any other Star Trek show.