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[Mannahnin]

Red flags is other people
-Sartre

I had occasion again this week to trot out my most used quote from him. It's apropos absurdly often in the last decades or so, especially in reference to certain (social and other) media figures.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

 

[Gradine]

The necessary corollary to just letting people like things is also just letting people not like things. Praise, criticism, even jokes at the expense of a thing does not equate praise, criticism, or jokes at the expense of anyone who agrees/disagrees with your opinion.

 

[Thomas Shey]

The necessary corollary to just letting people like things is also just letting people not like things. Praise, criticism, even jokes at the expense of a thing does not equate praise, criticism, or jokes at the expense of anyone who agrees/disagrees with your opinion.

Unfortunately its abundantly clear that some people connect things they like with their identity in a way they don't (maybe in a sense, can't) separate out.

 

[Mannahnin]

The necessary corollary to just letting people like things is also just letting people not like things. Praise, criticism, even jokes at the expense of a thing does not equate praise, criticism, or jokes at the expense of anyone who agrees/disagrees with your opinion.

Eric's Grandma warning, language:

 

[dragoner]

I had occasion again this week to trot out my most used quote from him. It's apropos absurdly often in the last decades or so, especially in reference to certain (social and other) media figures.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

It's a good quote, though I'm feeling the White Rose in that people have a vain hope of dealing with things through reason, when there is no rationality behind it all. They are going to be all five lights no matter what, unquestioningly.

 

[trappedslider]

When you're wearing rose-colored glasses, all those red flags just look like flags.

I thought they meant carnival

 

[Gradine]

Unfortunately its abundantly clear that some people connect things they like with their identity in a way they don't (maybe in a sense, can't) separate out.

There's few things that are more emphatically human in the modern age, and I don't know anyone who's free of sin. There's a reason I avoid Star Wars threads these days.

 

[overgeeked]

It's a good quote, though I'm feeling the White Rose in that people have a vain hope of dealing with things through reason, when there is no rationality behind it all. They are going to be all five lights no matter what, unquestioningly.

Reason has its limits. And, as you say, some people are beyond reason. It's too bad, but sometimes you just have to defend yourself and punch a bully in the face.

 

[dragoner]

Reason has its limits. And, as you say, some people are beyond reason. It's too bad, but sometimes you just have to defend yourself and punch a bully in the face.

To us it's a bug, to them it's a feature, "the leader principle" or something. Though I would say it is quite a bit older.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

There's a reason I avoid Star Wars threads these days.

....honestly, at this point I think I'd rather wade into a "Let's talk about 4e because I have some hawt takez" thread than touch a Star Wars topic with a 10' pole.