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Ryujin

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Other than air conditioning, older GMs notoriously rot from the outside in (that is to say, they'll still be functional when the outside looks like its been through the wars). Our backup car is still an '84 (yes, you're reading that right) Olds Cutless Supreme, and I had a Chevrolet Celebrity that just ran and ran.

(Of course not having AC in Southern California is almost as great an idea s not having heat in Minnesota, which is one reason its the backup car...)
I bought a Dodge Dakota. Once. A friend of mine who used to do inspections for one of those aftermarket warranty companies told me, "Just after your warranty is up, the AC core is going to fall apart." Three months after my warranty was up, the AC core was toast. That truck was the first and last Dodge/Chrysler product that I ever bought. After warranty was up it would cost me a minimum of C$1000.00 for every second scheduled service. Once it was for the replacement of the exhaust manifold, which rusted out. They also charged me for the removal of a cross threaded bolt in the manifold, which then had have the thread repaired. This was the first time that the manifold had ever been touched, so it was cross threaded right from the factory.
 

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It's an unfortunate arms race.

Small cars are perfectly safe.. They look horrific after accidents because of the way they are designed to crumple on impact and absorb energy from the crash. However with SUVs and Trucks getting so tall it's getting to be a problem. In my hatchback, when I'm sitting next to a truck or large SUV at a light or in a parking lot or something, my window is usually inline with their wheel well. If one of these vehicles was to T-bone me, it's not just the door, and side of my car taking the blow.. It's my window, and even roof line taking the hit.

I can understand wanting to lift yourself up to try and negate these fears.. But it only serves to perpetuate the problem. In another twenty years people will be dropping their kids off to soccer practice in monster trucks.

Her dream vehicle was a Ford Expedition, to yes, run people over in case of an accident.
 



Thomas Shey

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I bought a Dodge Dakota. Once. A friend of mine who used to do inspections for one of those aftermarket warranty companies told me, "Just after your warranty is up, the AC core is going to fall apart." Three months after my warranty was up, the AC core was toast. That truck was the first and last Dodge/Chrysler product that I ever bought. After warranty was up it would cost me a minimum of C$1000.00 for every second scheduled service. Once it was for the replacement of the exhaust manifold, which rusted out. They also charged me for the removal of a cross threaded bolt in the manifold, which then had have the thread repaired. This was the first time that the manifold had ever been touched, so it was cross threaded right from the factory.

While AC systems seem to be the thing that had the shortest lifespan here too, I should note Dodge were Chrysler (now--Stellantis? Something like that) cars, not GMs.
 

Ryujin

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While AC systems seem to be the thing that had the shortest lifespan here too, I should note Dodge were Chrysler (now--Stellantis? Something like that) cars, not GMs.
Yup, just pointing out that it's basically a thing with North American manufacturers, in general. All the stuff probably comes from the same sources (like Magna International in Canada).
 

Meech17

WotC President Runner-Up.
Talking about General Motor's superb quality.

The second dealership I sold cars at was a GM store. On my first day I was wandering around just exploring the dealership and meeting people, and I made my way back to the service area. They had a giant bin full of scissor jacks that had been recalled from new vehicles. You know, like the cheap jacks that come with the spare mini-tire in the back of your car?

So as a cost cutting method GM had made these.. OUT OF PLASTIC.

The hardware was metal.. Like the screw mechanism that pulls the sides in together to lift the jack point.. But the body of the jack was plastic.

And apparently a bunch of them broke.. So they had to recall them.

This should have been a red flag that I needed to turn and run.. it just the first sign that the quality of the vehicles I was going to be selling was drastically lower than the Mazdas/Subarus I was selling previously.
 

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Thomas Shey

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Yup, just pointing out that it's basically a thing with North American manufacturers, in general. All the stuff probably comes from the same sources (like Magna International in Canada).

I dunno. Back in the day I found GMs considerably more reliable than Fords. Mind you, this is decades ago now, I have no idea what its like these days.
 


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