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Around 2010, I remember it being in vogue to cite specific logical fallacies when you felt an interlocutor used one. It felt like a way someone could declare victory. Continued discussion usually devolved into calling each other morons. (Maybe I was just young).

I don't see it much anymore. The exceptions are motte-and-bailey and survivor bias, both of which have fun pictures. But things like "no true scotsman" have vanished, gone the way of "epic" and demotivators.

with 2000+ years of human history at our fingertips, I feel that it's become impossible to avoid "whataboutism"

 

[payn]

with 2000+ years of human history at our fingertips, I feel that it's become impossible to avoid "whataboutism"

It's actually pretty easy to avoid it. Whataboutism is purposefully changing the subject to take control or change direction of the discussion.

 

[overgeeked]

There are four lights.

 

[The Firebird]

with 2000+ years of human history at our fingertips, I feel that it's become impossible to avoid "whataboutism"

Apropos of little: there is an example that comes to mind from the opening chapters of Les Miserables, the bishop's conversation with an old member of the Convention.

 

[Aeson]

I prefer Jason's Scandinavian cousin; Svengoalie.

Psst. Don't look now, just act casual, but your Canadian is showing.

 

[gnarlygninja]

Around 2010, I remember it being in vogue to cite specific logical fallacies when you felt an interlocutor used one. It felt like a way someone could declare victory. Continued discussion usually devolved into calling each other morons. (Maybe I was just young).

I don't see it much anymore. The exceptions are motte-and-bailey and survivor bias, both of which have fun pictures. But things like "no true scotsman" have vanished, gone the way of "epic" and demotivators.

I think that's just a phase a lot of internet citizens go through, if you dig around on old forums you can find people doing it long before 2010 and in the right spaces you can still find them doing it. DnD forums used to be maybe the worst, because they weren't content to use the ones you'd learn about in school and made their own up. It's very difficult for me to take any discussion where people start throwing 'stormwind fallacy!' and 'Grog's fallacy!' around seriously.

It's actually pretty easy to avoid it. Whataboutism is purposefully changing the subject to take control or change direction of the discussion.

I honestly don't even see how the amount of information a person has is relevant to doing a logical fallacy. To use another as an example, I can't excuse an ad hominem by saying "but I've known you my whole life".

 

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It's actually pretty easy to avoid it. Whataboutism is purposefully changing the subject to take control or change direction of the discussion.

so if someone ask "why is this different than (examples of pervious thing)" it's not going to be accused of whataboutism?

 

[soviet]

I don't know about that. I still see "No true Scotsman" quite frequently

No you don't, not proper ones

sorry

 

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