PotC: Dead Man's Chest spoiler thread

[The Grumpy Celt]

Arnwyn, not every one speaks in a psuedo-American Midwestern accent. One should delight in diversity and rejoyce in regionalisms, such as accents.

In any event, I thought the caninal island bit slowed the entire movie down and could not understand why anyone would want Jack Sparrow back at the end. And I think Barbosa was already alive when they visited earlier Tia - I think those where his boots, he was in them and had his feet up. I wonder what Sexy Swamp Lady has cooking.

Something else to consider, Davy could visit Tia. He could not set foot on land, but her hourse was over apparently (slowly) running water in a swamp. So if she was the woman who rejected him way back when, then he could likely still visit her. Maybe she is a sister to him, or the woman who rejected him, or maybe she just introduced them.

 

[WayneLigon]

Something else to consider, Davy could visit Tia. He could not set foot on land, but her house was over apparently (slowly) running water in a swamp. So if she was the woman who rejected him way back when, then he could likely still visit her.

The 'not set foot on land but once every 10 years' idea was cool, and I think that's why she gave Jack the jar of dirt. It's 'land' and so could protect him from Davy in a pinch (All he'd have to do was pour it out and stand on it). I would have liked to see that scene

Jack: (Pours out dirt and stands on it) Sorry, can't get me here! They say no man is an island but I seem to have one here. My own little island, hee.

Davy is initially stymied as he tries to get Jack. Reaches for a bucket, tosses it on Jack, water washes away the dirt, leaving Jack on the deck. Davy grins. "Ye were sayin'....?"

I still loved that he wouldn't give it up, even though it was just a jar of dirt

I also thought that initially the (presumably love) letters in the outer chest would prove to really be his 'heart'. Maybe that will still be true.

 

[Arnwyn]

Arnwyn, not every one speaks in a psuedo-American Midwestern accent. One should delight in diversity and rejoyce in regionalisms, such as accents.

This is a canard, and has nothing to do with the problem. (And I agreed with you about seeing her again - how's that for "rejoicing"?)

 

[frankthedm]

I also thought that initially the (presumably love) letters in the outer chest would prove to really be his 'heart'. Maybe that will still be true.

Same here!

 

[frankthedm]

His accent was very thick.

Not as thick as the drunkard in Dagon! I had turn the subtitles on for that scene.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

Saw the movie yesterday and enjoyed it thoroughly.

And am I the only one who thought that the perfect way for a PC to die in battle is to say, "Hello, beastie!" and leap into a giant monster's maw?

It is also the perfect way for a PC to be born, as it were. My swashbuckler, Dycron, was inspired by the brief bit from Willow, where Madmartigan looks down at the dragon from the bridge, sighs quickly, then leaps with a scream on top of it. That one moment contains the distilled essence of Dycron whose favorite tactic ended up being to leap spectacularly over the front line of combat, die, then wait patiently for the other PC's to retrieve his corpse. Again.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

Thanks a bunch, Incomprehensible Voodoo Chick.

And the Jar-Jar Binks award goes to...

 

[Banshee16]

Agreed, he did go out of his way to get the scum of the earth to deliver to Davey. And they had an option to chose to die rather than go into servitude on his crew. This doesn't make Sparrow a hero, but does at least make him maybe Chaotic Nuetral in D&D terms. He does a little good here, and little bad there and it all balances out.

He wasn't a wanted man in the first movie cause he was a lovable swashbuckler and I think people forget that he was hated by a lot of people and still is. He does what he does to survive. Heck, he's swayed Swann into making a decision she hated and becomming something she thought she wasn't, he's made the Commodore a truely unrespectable man, and made Will a hunted man. Chaotic Nuetral I say!!

That doesn't make him chaotic neutral. Maybe Neutral Evil. So maybe it's true that they had a choice...serve for 100 years, or die. That's not a choice. Anyone putting 100 innocents in that position to save themselves is evil.

What is *not* evil about that? It's basically giving them a choice between slavery to an unholy monster for 100 years, or death.

Banshee

 

[Sir Brennen]

Finally got around to seeing PotC this weekend (though, judging by the box office, so did a couple of other people.) My wife's overall summation: "There was too much slime."

It was good, a bit over-long, great effects. I was really impressed with the scene of Will trying to get the key from the sleeping Davy Jones, having a hard time trying to figure out how much of the tentacles were real and how much CGI.

I don't think it was that great, though, and thought the first one was better from a character & humor point of view. Cap'n Jack had a few too many "I know that you know that I know..." style ramblings that just weren't as clever as alot of his lines in the original. And a menacing villian with a sense of humor were a good part of the first movie, as well. ("the Code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules....") Some of the scenes during the island battle had me cracking up, though, especially when there would be a pause or double take as some other combatants ran or rolled through.

I do have to agree with the poster about Incomprehensible Voodoo Lady. I got the gist of alot of it, but she could have toned down the accent just a wee bit. Besides 28 Days Later, the actress was also in the Pierce Bronson movie After The Sunset, where her Island inflections were much more understandable.

A lot of critics complained about Bloom and Knightley's characters not really given much to do in this one, but I thought they had plenty of effect on the plot, even it if was mostly in reaction to Jack's schemes and betrayals.

Someone mentioned the Indiana Jone's reference when Mz. Swann reached for her missing sword (which also happened to Pintel and Ragetti when they confronted her earlier, didn't it?) But did anyone notice how many Indiana Jone's references there seemed to be? Or just simply images which called to mind things from those films?

-Running from the cannibals (could almost hear "Launch the ship, Cotton! Launch the ship!")
-Groping for missing weapon and grinning sheepishly
-Will riding hidden on the bow of the Flying Dutchman (like Indy on the Nazi sub)
-Rolling cages reminiscent of the Indy boulder sequence
-Disembodied beating heart image from Temple of Doom
-Jack's concern over his hat (though it was a nice play on the theme that Cotton was going to turn the boat around for the hat but Jack was too scared)

There were a couple of others my wife pointed out, who is really the big Indy Jones fan. Anyone else think of any?

Of course, there were other movie references - Will slowing his fall with a knife in the sail (like about every Errol Flynn pirate movie), and even Disney's own 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea with the Kraken attacking the ship. And didn't Davy Jones even say something like "Release the Kraken!", similar to a line from Clash of the Titans? Oh, and of course, hermit-crab head evoked images of John Carpenter's The Thing.

 

[Elemental]

My take: Elizabeth was worried that her heart was wavering, but it wasn't; the misdirection was that the compass *was* still pointing at the chest - which was buried in the sand between her and Jack.

Also, I think the direction the needle is pointing in is the one that Will shows up from, a few minutes later.

If only the compass had a distance indicator.

The first movie gave us skeletons and, admittedly, the scenes where the skeletons walked beneath the waves were bloody brilliant. The second movie gave us a wider variety of henchmen; personally, I liked "Hermit Crab Head".

Anyone else have Young Ones flashbacks when he's trying to direct his body to recover his head?

My favourite bit was the tense standoff between Elizabeth and two of Jack's crew over the heart. Then the wheel rolls past, everyone stares in disbelief for a few seconds, and they then pick up where they left off.