Prestigious Paladin and the sword of arcane order

emanresu

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Did I read it correctly that this combo can produce a Paladin that casts arcane spells? That is assuming the following example will be a pc. 2 levels of fighter and 3 of Cleric, the mounted comabt feat and prereq skills will qualify him for the prestigious Paladin. Once he gains level in Prestige Pal could he then, somehow cast Arcane spells or does he need to pick a arcane class prio to prestigious Pal?

i also read another feat that ties in well with this combo, I had written it down and promptly lost it.

excuse my ignorance if I have this bass ackwards

thanks

eman
 

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I don't believe Sword of the Arcane Order was even intended for the Prestige Paladin. The Sword of the Arcane Order swaps the Paladin's spell list for a different, Arcane one, while the Prestige Paladin builds off the spell list of the base class you enter in from.

Are you aiming for a particular goal? What are you trying to accomplish with this build, there may be another way to pull it off.
 

Some clarifications:

Sword of the Arcane Order simply allows a paladin (or ranger) to cast wizard spells using the paladin's spell slots. It does not replace the paladin's actual spell list.

The feat was obviously not written with Prestige Paladin in mind. Then again, a lot of the things in D&D aren't written with other things in mind. The same feat can be used with the Mystic Ranger variant ranger in Dragon 336 to get 5th level wizard spells on top of better ranger casting at the laughably cheap price of a few other class features being granted slower and no animal companion.

Does the feat work in a vacuum with Prestige Paladin? That's very debatable because the feat specifies it uses "paladin spell slots." Even if it is interpreted that all spell slots count, however, this is one of those things you should absolutely ask your DM about beforehand, period. For many DMs the trick will grossly screw with the game since you now have a character who can cast an even bigger array of spells than the DM should normally expect to prepare for with a single character.

As far as other feats go, you might be thinking of Battle Blessing to cast standard action paladin spells as swift actions. Again, it's something to talk with your DM about because it's really cheesy to combine Battle Blessing with Prestige Paladin much less a Prestige Paladin with SotAO, assuming the ruling is that all standard action spells are effectively quickened because it's a paladin that's casting them.

As far as Battle Blessing goes, the most sane and reasonable ruling for overall game balance and flow is that it only applies to spells that are actually paladin spells. It would not apply to cleric spells for Prestige Paladin nor would it apply to wizard spells through SotAO. If a spell is on the list of both cleric and paladin and/or the list of both paladin and wizard, it must be cast as a paladin with the spell level associated with the paladin list for it to qualify for the feat.
 

Did I read it correctly that this combo can produce a Paladin that casts arcane spells?

No, because "Sword of the Arcane Order" lets the character cast Wizard spells using his Paladin spell slots, while the Prestige Paladin doesn't actually have any Paladin spell slots - he continues to advance in his existing divine class, which means he has Cleric spell slots.

However, if you want a Paladin that casts arcane spells, there's a much easier way - just play a (regular) Paladin and take the Sword of the Arcane Order feat!
 


hey guys n gals

I am not designing a build with this in mind, not yet. I was posting this inquiry on a purely "what the heck is this" basis. I had ran across the battle blessing, prestigious pali and the SoTAO and thought it was extremely power gamey.
After the responses I no longer think its power gamey, as a matter of fact the Pali needs as much help as possible! Whatever helps it not be the 2 level dipper its become, Im all for!

eman
 

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