D&D (2024) Pulse check on 1D&D excitement level

[DEFCON 1]

I'd venture WotC doesn't care in the slightest how some players wish to define things as either an overwrite or a supplement. They're just making some books. And people who want them will buy them, and those that don't, won't. No different than every other book they've published.

 

[mamba]

If it weren't an overwrite, they would market it as a supplement and not a replacement, and they would give the 2024 classes different names.

It's an overwrite if you want it to be, an addition if you do not. Personally I'd take it as an overwrite.

 

[Bill Zebub]

It's an overwrite if you want it to be, an addition if you do not. Personally I'd take it as an overwrite.

I think it's a snarfle. Or possibly a therodox. Or even a hyperzlot.

Regardless, I'm going to decide whether or not to buy it once it's finished, based on the content.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

how is having the additional option for this driving away the casual crowd?

See the psion as an example of "dumbing down" a stand alone concept.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

If it weren't an overwrite, they would market it as a supplement and not a replacement, and they would give the 2024 classes different names.

I’m not suggesting WotC doesn’t see it as an overwrite, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with that. It’s not like you agree that 1D&D is still 5e, so I wouldn’t think you would be the one to tow the company line!

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

I also run games for kids, and I've been switching them over to Five Torches Deep because 5e is just too much...too many rules, too many options...for these kids. (I may be working with younger kids; my groups are mostly 4th to 8th grade.

You do what you want, but we started our children and their friends on 4e at 8 years old (2nd grade), so I don’t think 5e is too complex for young kids. IME, it is how you teach it more than what you’re teaching.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Meh. Let me know when it's out and I'll decide whether to buy then. Until then, I'm not particularly interested.

That's the sanest take, honestly.

 

[Minigiant]

Is that what you experienced yourself, or are you theorizing that this is what's going on for masses of other people? D&D is awfully darned popular so I'm skeptical of a claim that it's not in most people's sweet spot.

It's what I'm seeing and hearing from other people.

I mean 5e is the most popular D&D game but I can't go 10 minutes online in 5e spaces without 5e fans whining about it. And now some of the people I taught 5e are complaining about it.

So when I come to ENworld and see people claim their is a massive lovedest for the mechanics and no one wants big changes to it, it feels like bizarroland

 

[mellored]

It's what I'm seeing and hearing from other people.

If you have no complaints, then you have nothing to post about.

Satisfied people are quiet people. And a room of 100 quiet people sounds the same as a room of 100,000 quiet people.

 

[Bill Zebub]

You do what you want, but we started our children and their friends on 4e at 8 years old (2nd grade), so I don’t think 5e is too complex for young kids. IME, it is how you teach it more than what you’re teaching.

Oh, we do play (have played) 5e and it works, including with my 6 year old (who plays a wolf accompanying the PCs). I guess I shouldn't have said "too much" for them. It's more that the whole RPG thing is so new and exciting that they don't need a lot of options to have fun. With a more streamlined game like FTD we spend more time actually adventuring.

Veterans may gripe about the Fighter having no option other than "I attack" but in my experience, 8 year olds playing D&D for the first time LOVE saying "I attack!" and see nothing wrong with it.

We also played Hero kids, which has even fewer options (spellcasting PCs literally have one spell) they were totally thrilled.