Quick answer needed! Grapple & Flurry!
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I believe there is some debate on this issue, based around the "you can flurry when using an unarmed strike or monk weapon" text.
Grapple checks are not a monk weapon, and it's debatable whether or not they count as unarmed strikes (although they do the damage of your unarmed strike).
Interpretations I've seen:
1) Grapple checks cannot be combined with a Flurry in any way.
2) You can use a flurry of blows to initiate the grapple, but not once the grapple is established. (i.e. the initial touch attacks to start a grapple can be done as part of a flurry, but the flurry ends once the grapple is established.)
3) You can flurry while in a grapple, but only if you are using the "attack your opponent at a -4 attack penalty" option, instead of making grapple checks.
4) You can flurry within a grapple, and use the flurry attacks to make grapple checks. Grapple checks are close enough to unarmed strikes to count.
I think option 3 is probably the closest to RAW, but I think a case can be made for option 4 (and is the ruling I prefer). Monks aren't exactly overpowered to begin with.
Grapple checks are not a monk weapon, and it's debatable whether or not they count as unarmed strikes (although they do the damage of your unarmed strike).
Interpretations I've seen:
1) Grapple checks cannot be combined with a Flurry in any way.
2) You can use a flurry of blows to initiate the grapple, but not once the grapple is established. (i.e. the initial touch attacks to start a grapple can be done as part of a flurry, but the flurry ends once the grapple is established.)
3) You can flurry while in a grapple, but only if you are using the "attack your opponent at a -4 attack penalty" option, instead of making grapple checks.
4) You can flurry within a grapple, and use the flurry attacks to make grapple checks. Grapple checks are close enough to unarmed strikes to count.
I think option 3 is probably the closest to RAW, but I think a case can be made for option 4 (and is the ruling I prefer). Monks aren't exactly overpowered to begin with.
Hypersmurf
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One more interpretation:
"If your base attack bonus allows you multiple attacks, you can attempt one of these actions in place of each of your attacks, but at successively lower base attack bonuses."
This can be read such that non-iterative multiple attacks cannot be used in a grapple. (For example, we already know that extra attacks from TWF are prohibited since you explicitly may not attack with two weapons while grappling.) A narrow reading would also prohibit extra attacks from Flurry, Haste, and the like while grappling.
-Hyp.
"If your base attack bonus allows you multiple attacks, you can attempt one of these actions in place of each of your attacks, but at successively lower base attack bonuses."
This can be read such that non-iterative multiple attacks cannot be used in a grapple. (For example, we already know that extra attacks from TWF are prohibited since you explicitly may not attack with two weapons while grappling.) A narrow reading would also prohibit extra attacks from Flurry, Haste, and the like while grappling.
-Hyp.
The Souljourner
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Meh, I go for #4 - flurry of grapples is just fine 
It's far from being perfectly clear, and monks need all the help they can get.
-Nate
It's far from being perfectly clear, and monks need all the help they can get.-Nate
Elethiomel
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No. An unarmed touch attack is different from an unarmed strike.
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