ready action vs silent still spell

[DnD Rule Machine]

Hong:
By your rationale, any attacker would get attacks of opportunity against opponents who simply stand still in a threatened square. That would make melee combat a little bit strange wouldn't it?

 

[hong]

Now an archer is not even a spellcasting class. How could you explain being able to 'see' or 'hear' a spell as such being cast?

The exact same way I explained it before.

And how would the archer fare against this same spell? No save. No sound. No action for Mr Dead Archer.

Terrible analogy. Do try harder, and keep in mind that identifying a spell is different to detecting a spell being cast.

 

[Zulkir of Dartmouth]

Then you haven't understood the rationale behind AoOs. An AoO isn't an additional attack that someone takes against you (although it looks that way). It represents your reduced ability to defend against _regular_ attacks that are taken against you as part of the round. Thus it doesn't matter if you're invisible, hidden, or in darkness. If someone knows you're there and is taking wild swings against you, they get an AoO if you try doing something silly (like casting a spell). Normal miss chances still apply, but being concealed does nothing to negate the AoO itself.

Sorry hong but it looks like you don't understand AoO.
PHB p 117 Attacks of Opportunity: You threaten the area next to you, even when it's not you action. An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened area provokes an attack of opportunity from you.

As an archer you do not threaten anything, so why are we brining that up?

 

[hong]

Hong:
By your rationale, any attacker would get attacks of opportunity against opponents who simply stand still in a threatened square. That would make melee combat a little bit strange wouldn't it?

Define exactly what you mean by "stand still". I mean it. There are at least two different ways in which you can "stand still" in D&D.

 

[hong]

Sorry hong but it looks like you don't understand AoO.

(snip twaddle)

Do try to keep up with the context, will you?

 

[Zulkir of Dartmouth]

What would give the wizard away to the archer?

I asked this before and you did not answer hong. I was just wondering b/c you said to DnD Rule Machine that you should see your earlier posts.

So with everything out here I would like a full explanation and none of this

Ineffable omnipotence.

Okay?

 

[hong]

Therefore you have a person standing still and not saying anything. That does not meet many peoples definition of casting a spell.

Assuming a world where spells don't have to have verbal or somatic components, I see no reason to believe that people will automatically assume spells must have these components.

 

[Zulkir of Dartmouth]

Assuming a world where spells don't have to have verbal or somatic components, I see no reason to believe that people will automatically assume spells must have these components.

Show me one spell that has no Verbal or Somatic components hong. Please.

 

[DnD Rule Machine]

Standing Still... Not Moving. Not doing anything, except standing still.

Standing Still... Not Moving. Casting a Silent Spell - Power Word Kill.

What does a wizard do when casting a spell that has only verbal components, under the effects of silent spell? He does nothing. Unless you are Mystra in the guise of an archer, I don't understand how you could sense a spell was being cast.

 

[hong]

I asked this before and you did not answer hong.

What about this:

I would say yes, because the wizard is still having to concentrate on the spell, and thus is taking his mind off his surroundings. An alert archer should be able to notice this, and let off the arrow.

And this:

When casting a stilled, silenced spell, you're still vulnerable to AoOs, and an interrupted casting still requires a Concentration check to maintain the spell. This indicates that the casting process still requires the wizard to take his mind off his surroundings, to focus on the spell. Since the wizard is taking his mind of his surroundings (not dodging enemies as well, not moving as fast as normally, etc), it should be visible to someone who is paying attention.

do you have trouble understanding?

So with everything out here I would like a full explanation and none of this

It means I'm vastly more intelligent, well-educated, wealthier, and sexier than you. Okay?


Hong "AND I have a larger peanus" Ooi