ready action vs silent still spell

[hong]

Show me one spell that has no Verbal or Somatic components hong. Please.

A stilled, silenced magic missile.

 

[hong]

What does a wizard do when casting a spell that has only verbal components, under the effects of silent spell? He does nothing.

Except concentrate on the spell.

Unless you are Mystra in the guise of an archer, I don't understand how you could sense a spell was being cast.

Because 1) there's nothing in the books to say he doesn't sense it; and 2) the wizard is still having to concentrate, giving those around him a clue as to what he's doing.

Your Rule Machine is b0rken. Please fix it.

 

[DnD Rule Machine]

What are you talking about now hong?

I thought this was about silent and still spells and identifying them as being cast, not the spell itself, but the fact that a spell is being cast. No need to get rude and vulgar. Omnipotence and omniscience have little to do with you, especially after that remark.

By the way, omnipotent means All Powerful, where as Omniscient means All Knowing. Neither speak of phallus size or sex appeal.

 

[hong]

What are you talking about now hong?

I dunno. I'm just reacting to how you two are going round in circles.

I thought this was about silent and still spells and identifying them as being cast, not the spell itself, but the fact that a spell is being cast.

A spell that has had the Still and Silent Spell metamagic feats applied to it is still a spell. Furthermore, it's a spell without any V or S components. QED.

No need to get rude and vulgar.

You're new here, aren't you?

 

[Zulkir of Dartmouth]

Sorry hong but it looks like you don't understand AoO.
PHB p 117 Attacks of Opportunity: You threaten the area next to you, even when it's not you action. An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened area provokes an attack of opportunity from you.

As an archer you do not threaten anything, so why are we brining that up?

Listen hong, I don't want you to get defensive or talk about the size of your genitalia BUT I have already shot down both of the points you continue to bring up. And I have asked you to find one spell without verbal or somatic components. If you can't that's okay.

But I want you to know I see that you are a respected poster on this board and I am not attacking you at all. So please don't get so defensive, just back up with the RULES ( because this is the D&D Rules form)

 

[DnD Rule Machine]

Because 1) there's nothing in the books to say he doesn't sense it

It Doesn't say anywhere in the rulebooks about a halfling being unable to give birth to a Ferrari. Would you allow that to happen in your campaign?

 

[hong]

Listen hong, I don't want you to get defensive or talk about the size of your genitalia BUT I have already shot down both of the points you continue to bring up.

Where?

And I have asked you to find one spell without verbal or somatic components. If you can't that's okay.

What is a spell that has had metamagic feats applied to it? It's still a spell.

What is a spell that has the Still and Silent Spell feats applied to it? It's a spell without V and S components.

QED.

What makes you think people will be ignorant of how spells can be cast without these components?

But I want you to know I see that you are a respected poster on this board and I am not attacking you at all. So please don't get so defensive, just back up with the RULES ( because this is the D&D Rules form)

I will get as defensive or otherwise as I want. It's fun, you should try it sometime. And what about this...

There's no rule, AFAIK, that says one way or another how to treat detecting spells that have metamagic feats applied to them. Rule it how you like.

did you have trouble understanding?

 

[hong]

It Doesn't say anywhere in the rulebooks about a halfling being unable to give birth to a Ferrari. Would you allow that to happen in your campaign?

Ferraris don't exist in my campaign, so your point is moot. Now address (2). Here, I'll quote it for you again.

2) the wizard is still having to concentrate, giving those around him a clue as to what he's doing.

 

[DnD Rule Machine]

Good night everyone. This is absolutley ridiculous. You make up whatever silly rules you want for your campaign Hong. You are an idiot.

 

[Zulkir of Dartmouth]

What does QED stand for?

And if we rule it how we see it then fine. Lets leave it at that.

BUT,

Assuming a world where spells don't have to have verbal or somatic components, I see no reason to believe that people will automatically assume spells must have these components.

You see no reason to believe that people will assume spells must have these components. But before you modify them with metamagic feats they ALL have one or both of these compontents.
Therefore you can assume that an archer with no spell training or spellcraft ranks would ASSUME that when he sees a spell caster cast they would do something, like move or speak. If the archer does not see this he would be hard pressed to ID if a spell is being cast.

To take a real world example, I would like to say that I am watching a clown and I am going to shoot the clown when he attempts to blow up a balloon. If the clown has a special ability that allows him to blow up his balloon with out moving or blowing air into the balloon how am I going to tell when he starts blowing up this balloon?

Please explain using the same example, just so I am clear.