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Enforcer said:
Yeah, you gotta hate lawyers...what've they ever done for society? Only put criminals in jail, keep innocent people out of jail, protect civil liberties, help people recover money from others who have somehow screwed them over...

Oh, and they WROTE THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION...

As a law student (first-year), I got to say that the stigma against lawyers is undeserved. Yes, there are sleazebags out there, particularly frivolous civil suit brandishing plaintiff's attorneys (IMO), but the real role of lawyers is to help someone. They're paid to help you fix a problem that you have, please try to remember that.

Wow. You've never actually met an average divorce lawyer then? :D

I understand your angst though, and have to admit I know several 'good' lawyers. Actually a couple of them are ex-lawyers, as they no longer practice because they were too soft hearted in client selection to make a living at it... darn those indigent case loads. But these guys are also some of the most tolerant of the lawyer-jokes, as if they know on some subconscious level that those jokes were about the other guys (they also told me some the best lawyer jokes too); I count them among some of my good friends.

If you are trying to convince me that Johnny Cochran is a really nice, ethical guy who is only concerned about the welfare of others and the good he can do in this world... well, I think you probably know the response to that one ;)
 
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Enforcer said:
Oh, and they WROTE THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION...

But they did condescend to let mere non-lawyers participate--or was that an oversight on their part?

What else to lawyers write? They write laws and regulations so convoluted and self-contradictory that they can only be understood by other lawyers. Great for an oligarchy or aristocracy. Stinks on ice in a democratic republic.
 


Enforcer said:
Yeah, you gotta hate lawyers...what've they ever done for society? Only put criminals in jail, keep innocent people out of jail, protect civil liberties, help people recover money from others who have somehow screwed them over...

Oh, and they WROTE THE FREAKING CONSTITUTION...

As a law student (first-year), I got to say that the stigma against lawyers is undeserved. Yes, there are sleazebags out there, particularly frivolous civil suit brandishing plaintiff's attorneys (IMO), but the real role of lawyers is to help someone. They're paid to help you fix a problem that you have, please try to remember that.

Enforcer, one lawslinger to another:

Don't wear yourself out with this stuff. The only argument that really changes people's minds about lawyers is the way you practice law every day of your career.
 

Enforcer said:
As a law student (first-year), I got to say that the stigma against lawyers is undeserved. Yes, there are sleazebags out there, particularly frivolous civil suit brandishing plaintiff's attorneys (IMO), but the real role of lawyers is to help someone. They're paid to help you fix a problem that you have, please try to remember that.

As a lawyer for 10 years I can tell you - you are completely wrong. Lawyers are mostly soul sucking creeps:)

They do work extraordinarily hard - no question about that part, but I would be interested in your opinion after you have been in the trenches for a few years. Take my advice - do property title searches for a steady paycheck or patent law - those folks seem fairly happy. I would not trade my law education for any other, however, so continue to enjoy law school.

BTW - Mythago congrats! You sound like a well-balanced human being and we need more of those in the profession for sure!
 

Ok, how about this: Everyone on the boards who has had to hire a lawyer for whatever reason, tell me if you were satisfied with them and if you'd hire that lawyer again.

The sense I get is that "they" are the ones who are evil, but individual lawyers that people actually know are mostly good people. We'll see if I'm right.
 

Enforcer said:
Ok, how about this: Everyone on the boards who has had to hire a lawyer for whatever reason, tell me if you were satisfied with them and if you'd hire that lawyer again.

The sense I get is that "they" are the ones who are evil, but individual lawyers that people actually know are mostly good people. We'll see if I'm right.

Former mayor of the town I grew up in was a lawyer, and a good one. Spent several years at the Maxwell Country Club (aka the Maxwell Minimum Security Facility at Maxwell AFB) for bilking the city out of a considerable sum of money via the workings of various legal contracts with city subcontractors. So good they never could figure out how much he got. Spent a few years away from town. Funny thing is, he's such a smooth cat he nearly won the last election.

My mother had to get a lawyer when she was working at a place where she was injured by faulty equipment and they refused to pay her workmans comp, even though she had nerve damage. She didnt want a handout, or a big check, just her workmans comp. Took 2 years to get it finally (after nearly losing the house twice) and the lawyer took over 40%. 2 years later, the same lawyer and several others were indicted on various fraud charges, namely taking kickbacks from this particular company to smother workmans comp claims. Real nice guy.

My brother in law recently divorced, and his ex-wife's attorney was a real piece of work. Hired private investigators to follow the guy, and follow *us* when he was with us, purely for intimidation because the guy is such a uber-geek he couldnt have cheated if he'd wanted to; he spent $9000 of the ex-wife's money so that he could get pics of us having a beer at a local bar, and video of me giving my kids a bath. He, and the brother-in-laws lawyer, had me served so I missed 2 days of work sitting with a bunch of other miserable souls waiting on court, then proceeded to argue, whine, and blather over my testimony (including calling me a liar twice) until I went off on a tirade back at him (which, oddly enough, the judge waved off the lawyers objections to and made him stand quietly through till I got done). The same guy, even after the divorce, had us all served with papers saying he would have us arrested if we stepped on the property to help the brother in law move, which couldnt have made me happier. Had the ex-wife nail *chicken wire* over every window and door of the house with papers stuck in it threatening all kinds of idiotic legal stupidity, which we were are pretty amused at, even though there was very little there the brother-in-law wanted that he had not already moved to his parents house. Amazing command of manipulation, drama, indignation, and soul-sucking greedy rat-b*st*rdness; he took the ex-wife for almost $70k, the brother in law spent about $25k on his end, and the ex-wife got less in the divorce than she would have got with the first 2 offers the brother-in-law made, much less after he got his cut.

I've (luckily) never had to hire one personally, however I did do a lot of computer work for some with a company I worked with once. That company folded, and I contracted with some of the firms afterwards to help them transition. Of the 4 that I worked with, the 1st always paid ahead of time, never argued with my rate, and thanked me for coming every time. The 2nd treated me like a pool boy they were doing a favor and drug their feet about paying, but finally paid (after 5 months and 7 invoices). The 3rd just flat out didnt pay me at all after the first visit. The 4th didnt pay me, and kept calling me back to do more work, whining and begging. Stupid me, I went back once. Didnt pay me then, and kept calling back for more work. I told him he had to pay me before I would come back, and he said "hey, were the second largest law firm in the state, whaddaya gonna do, sue me? hahahaha".

Sad, but true, each one.

But for every horrible lawyer story I could tell you, I can tell you a few really good ones.
 
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Enforcer said:
The sense I get is that "they" are the ones who are evil, but individual lawyers that people actually know are mostly good people. We'll see if I'm right.

We'll see what you say in 10 years when you're in the trenches. Hold onto your humanity with both hands my friend ;) That sounds more condescending that I mean it. Really - I admire your efforts to defend our profession.

Pick out any litigation attorney from the phone book in my area and I can tell you a story about 90% of them that would blow your ethics professor's socks off.

It may be different in Chicago, but why do I doubt that? :D
 

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