D&D 5E Recent Errata clarifications

Oofta

Legend
what makes races seem cool anyway aside from being competently made? should we make a thread to discuss?
Well, if you have the choice of playing a tall, ethereally beautiful elf that is full of grace (elves used to be quite short as well for what it's worth, they used to average 5 foot tall) or a stocky, grumpy, bearded fellow who has a reputation for being a crude drunkard and comic relief, who would you pick?

I mean I like playing into the taciturn, pragmatic dwarf with a funny accent or the happy-go-lucky always optimistic halfling. So I'm not the right person to ask. All I know is that when they've done studies where they have people rate men's attractiveness then use camera angles to make the same model look taller or shorter the "taller" version ranks far higher on the attractiveness scale. When I've suggested a campaign with short races only (primarily dwarves) I always have someone who flat out refuses. Run a campaign with all elves and they're practically handing me their character sheets before I get the words out of my mouth.

So I don't think there is a fix, or at least not one that will work universally. Not even sure there needs to be one.
 

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Well, if you have the choice of playing a tall, ethereally beautiful elf that is full of grace (elves used to be quite short as well for what it's worth, they used to average 5 foot tall) or a stocky, grumpy, bearded fellow who has a reputation for being a crude drunkard and comic relief, who would you pick?
It's weird how D&D elves have gotten taller over the years. When I was first introduced to D&D as a kid, I didn't like elves being short and I wanted them to be tall like Tolkien elves. However, now I actually like short elves, it makes them more distinct.

Never liked dwarves, though not because they're short. I just never really go them.
 


Whilst I wouldn't mind replacing half-orcs with full orcs and have done so in my campaign, I really don't think half-orc needs to imply "an ugly backstory" any more than a half-elf, tiefling or an aasimar would.

Depending on the setting, the creation of half-elves can be just as problematic, just that elves use glamour and enchantment when they get rapey, rather than the violence that orcs use.
 


Oofta

Legend
Sure!

In short.

1. A compelling history.
2. A compelling look.
3. A non-human mindset/behavior pattern/morality.
4. A non-human biology.
5. Mechanics which are derived from the above.
Sure, but what qualifies? One top 10 list supposedly using 2020 statistics, although who knows how accurate it is
  1. Human
  2. Half-Elf
  3. Dragonborn
  4. Tiefling
  5. Half-Orc
  6. Elf
  7. Dwarf
  8. Halfling
  9. Genesai
  10. Goliath
Humans, I get. It's easy to play what you're familiar with. Half-elf, tiefling, half-orc probably appeals to people at some level for feeling like outcasts or like they don't fit in which I think applies to most people at some point or other. Tiefling may also appeal to the emo types.

But dragonborn? Other than appearance and the fact that they tend to be taller than humans, the mechanical benefits are nothing special. I'd have to look up their history to know what their history and lore is.

In any case, I think some aspects of the lore should be changed (half-orcs typically live in slums? Yeesh!) but I'm not sure we need to fix anything.
 

Depending on the setting, the creation of half-elves can be just as problematic, just that elves use glamour and enchantment when they get rapey, rather than the violence that orcs use.
Why would you write a setting with explicitly rapey content? Like sure, any character could have such an origin, but it is not that interspecies procreation makes it inherently more likely. Why can't elves and humans and humans and orcs have completely consensual relationships that produce offspring?
 

Why would you write a setting with explicitly rapey content? Like sure, any character could have such an origin, but it is not that interspecies procreation makes it inherently more likely. Why can't elves and humans and humans and orcs have completely consensual relationships that produce offspring?

Well, I did say "depending on the setting." I would expect a Celtic-based setting to have elves that may go all "enchanted, nonconsensual" on the humans they choose to mess with. Or if for some reason you want to make a setting with "sexy" orcs that humans would willingly sleep with, go for it. Or go the Shadowrun route and have the initial generation of half-orcs and half-elves happen because of some major magic change or disaster. Or make a world where everyone is a half-breed of some kind and normal humans no longer exist.

As for why write a setting that includes that? Why don't we ask the writers of almost all the D&D settings?
 

Azzy

KMF DM
As for why write a setting that includes that? Why don't we ask the writers of almost all the D&D settings?
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Staffan

Legend
It's weird how D&D elves have gotten taller over the years. When I was first introduced to D&D as a kid, I didn't like elves being short and I wanted them to be tall like Tolkien elves. However, now I actually like short elves, it makes them more distinct.
I blame Ed Greenwood. The original FR boxed set specified that FR elves were as tall as humans but more slender, and over time that became incorporated into the core. 4e had elves and eladrin be slightly shorter than humans, and that's been transferred over to core 5e.
 

I blame Ed Greenwood. The original FR boxed set specified that FR elves were as tall as humans but more slender, and over time that became incorporated into the core. 4e had elves and eladrin be slightly shorter than humans, and that's been transferred over to core 5e.
I should have known. The Forgotten Realms is the source of most of silly lore in D&D.
 

Erekose

Eternal Champion
I’ve read a few of these threads now and I’m impressed again about just how passionate people are about this subject. D&D is a game we all love and can play in any way each of us and our players find fun. This can cover the whole spectrum of simplistic good vs evil to in-depth social commentary that reflects and is sensitive to the nuance of real world issues.
Maybe I’m over simplifying things but from original D&D through all of the decisions made to 5E and beyond, providing the basic structure of the game allows my group to play it as we see fit (and with house rules even that stipulation isn’t as hard and fast as it might be) it really doesn’t matter …
 

I blame Ed Greenwood. The original FR boxed set specified that FR elves were as tall as humans but more slender, and over time that became incorporated into the core. 4e had elves and eladrin be slightly shorter than humans, and that's been transferred over to core 5e.
The 1st edition AD&D PHB had elves slightly shorter than humans, 3.0 (Greyhawk default) shorter still. The taller elves where pretty much Greenwood only (I guess he is a Tolkien fan).
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Most of my players are in their 30s, and they all started with 5e, via Critical Role, or by playing Warhammer. We really divide into two cohorts, those who started with 1st ed, and those who started with 5e. I guess 3e and 4e simply failed to attract many new players to the game, and the demographic reflects that.

A shedload of people started playing D&D with 3.x... it's just that many of them liked that edition so much that they currently play Pathfinder. (And most of them play PF1). For whatever reason, they generally seem to me to be even more "anti-switch" than anyone else.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/They)
A shedload of people started playing D&D with 3.x... it's just that many of them liked that edition so much that they currently play Pathfinder. (And most of them play PF1). For whatever reason, they generally seem to me to be even more "anti-switch" than anyone else.
Yeah, there is definitely something incredibly distinctive about 3.X. I happen to dislike it, but I can imagine to someone who really enjoyed it, no other game would quite capture the same feeling.

As for us 4e fans, there are definitely some among us playing 5e, such as myself. But a lot moved on from D&D to more storygamey stuff like PbtA, FATE, etc.
 


Scribe

Hero
A shedload of people started playing D&D with 3.x... it's just that many of them liked that edition so much that they currently play Pathfinder. (And most of them play PF1). For whatever reason, they generally seem to me to be even more "anti-switch" than anyone else.

Yeah, there is definitely something incredibly distinctive about 3.X. I happen to dislike it, but I can imagine to someone who really enjoyed it, no other game would quite capture the same feeling.

Hello, its me. ;)
 

The 1st edition AD&D PHB had elves slightly shorter than humans, 3.0 (Greyhawk default) shorter still. The taller elves where pretty much Greenwood only (I guess he is a Tolkien fan).
There were the weird valley elves in grey hawk if I recall…found in monster manual II of 1e.

i remember them because I liked the idea of human sized elves!
 


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