D&D General "Red Orc" American Indians and "Yellow Orc" Mongolians in D&D

My point is paying someone the going rate to do that kind of work on 40 years of old material is probably not in line with the sort of sales that material gets annually. If it's going to cost them most/all/more than their profits from a book to have a reader provide feedback, they may decide the cost isn't worth it. Unless their is a backlash large enough to bite into their current book sales or the costs are minimal compared to expected revenue, I don't see them doing any more than the current generic advisory they have now.

It sucks, but it's Econ 101.
It is super good that they use sensitivity readers for material they're currently producing so that things are better going forwards, but frankly, sensitivity reading mostly forgotten decades old material is an utter waste of time.
 

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Cadence

Legend
Supporter
My point is paying someone the going rate to do that kind of work on 40 years of old material is probably not in line with the sort of sales that material gets annually. If it's going to cost them most/all/more than their profits from a book to have a reader provide feedback, they may decide the cost isn't worth it. Unless their is a backlash large enough to bite into their current book sales or the costs are minimal compared to expected revenue, I don't see them doing any more than the current generic advisory they have now.

It sucks, but it's Econ 101.

Depending on the market demographics, it might buy that much good will and advertising.
 


Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
My point is paying someone the going rate to do that kind of work on 40 years of old material is probably not in line with the sort of sales that material gets annually. If it's going to cost them most/all/more than their profits from a book to have a reader provide feedback, they may decide the cost isn't worth it. Unless their is a backlash large enough to bite into their current book sales or the costs are minimal compared to expected revenue, I don't see them doing any more than the current generic advisory they have now.

It sucks, but it's Econ 101.
There are a lot of things that go against basic Econ 101 that businesses still do anyway because it's right. It sure as hell isn't cheaper for anyone to reduce their impact on the environment, but a lot of companies are still doing it (and often above regulatory standards). The cynic might attribute that to good PR, but I like to believe that people are basically good and want to do the right thing, when you get down to it.

The position I am envisioning is more PR-focused anyways; someone who can interact with fan concerns in a much more immediate and personal manner, which is not something WotC has been very good at, generally (except for rules questions I guess?). Knocking out the back catalog archives can take place over time and in the background.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
These are actually not at all popular strategies anymore (at least not in the U.S., where support for the idea has been waning for years) because they have created an explosion of exploitative prisons and outrageously racist judicial outcomes. We're trying to figure out our way out of this mess now.

"Defund the police", btw, isn't "fistfights in the streets"; it's "how about instead of buying the PD another tank we spend the money on... I don't know, mental health care, addiction treatment, and houselessness support?"
(For those outside the U.S., yes some of our police departments have tanks. No, I don't get it either.)

This all outside the purview of this thread however.

It's completely crazy. Cops here don't even carry guns as a general rule. It was a shock seeing them with bushmaster rifles in 2019 on the streets.
 




Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
They have assured us those are only for shooting the swarms of wild boars that plague this country.
We joke, but swarms of wild boards are legitimately no joke dangerous and terrifying, and do exist in certain parts of the country.

This write-up is actually spot on
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Mirtek

Hero
not a bibliography, but including a direct quote from Gary Gygax about how important it is to read to become inspired to play D&D.
That is given both the quote and the preceding non-quote text too much weight. It says nothing about what you ascribe to it.

Gary is quoted that he was inspired by this to create D&D and then the non-quote says that the following list are those books plus a few more that inspired the designers to write D&D.

Nothing at all about it being important to read any of this to play D&D.

And it's tucked away at the very end of the PHB in form of a very boring long list. I doubt most players ever even read this page or spared the list after the introductory words more than a glance

It's nothing but a bibliography preceded by the Gary quote and 2 non-quote sentences
 

Remathilis

Legend
There are a lot of things that go against basic Econ 101 that businesses still do anyway because it's right. It sure as hell isn't cheaper for anyone to reduce their impact on the environment, but a lot of companies are still doing it (and often above regulatory standards). The cynic might attribute that to good PR, but I like to believe that people are basically good and want to do the right thing, when you get down to it.

The position I am envisioning is more PR-focused anyways; someone who can interact with fan concerns in a much more immediate and personal manner, which is not something WotC has been very good at, generally (except for rules questions I guess?). Knocking out the back catalog archives can take place over time and in the background.
You still have to manage cost/benefit analysis. The cost to sensitivity read every old product they sell on DMsG has to be less than

1. The projected sales of those products in a reasonable span of time
2. The possible lost revenue they would lose but not doing it
3. The potential loss of good will that could harm the brand in the long term.
4. The potential loss of sales from just stopping all sales again.

Right now, they have addressed the issue in the form of the blanket content warning. To do more, you need to convince them that the added work would offset itself via increased sales OR that that it will protect future sales off more lucrative projects (such as avoiding a boycott). Right now, I don't think adding those kinds of sensitivity readings are going to get people who wouldn't have otherwise bought Orcs of Thar to buy it (on the contrary, you're telling them why they shouldn't) nor is it going to convince a lot of people who weren't already going up buy the Rules Expansion box or the Wildlands module to buy it because they owned up to racism from 30 years ago. Unless a sufficient enough number of people refuse to buy and future D&D products until this is done OR PDF sales dramatically spike after doing it, it's not worth the cost in manpower to do it.

Goodwill only has value if it translates into more sales for the company.

Now I'm not an MBA. I don't know the cost of hiring readers to read the backlog nor am I familiar enough with market trends to know what such a move might do to potential sales. I just know the pdf sales are a fraction of a fraction of WotC's profits, so unless this move increases this fraction significantly or not doing it hurts thier mainline significantly (or can somehow be done at low or no cost) than the warning label is the best we're getting and the worst is they start pulling offending titles or all titles.
 

Filthy Lucre

Adventurer
Have you seen modern nazis? These aren't jacked skinheads anymore. They're scrawny babymen whose primary weapon is a gif of a poorly drawn frog.
Is the alt right full of basement dwelling neckbeard incels incapable of even wiping their own ass? Or were they recently a very serious threat to the United States' democratic process? They can't be both weak/ineffectual AND powerful/dangerous.

I know it's fun to naughty word on our enemies but don't fool yourself into thinking these people aren't dangerous.
 



I'd also like awards to be not named after excremental people.

And I think I'd like it to be influential/recommended books instead of influential/recommended authors in the appendix. This later one is for three reasons: many authors (even those I love) have some books I wouldn't recommend based on quality, because there are some books where I think the content is just inappropriate to recommend (later Fafhrd and Mouser?), and because it avoids holding up authors who were excremental people.
Does that mean you want the books listed, without the authors? Seems pointless to me, as the instant someone looks the book up they'll see the author's name.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
Does that mean you want the books listed, without the authors? Seems pointless to me, as the instant someone looks the book up they'll see the author's name.

The various older editions seemed to list author, one or two books by them, and et.al. (Moldvay basic even had a supplemenyal list of just authors.). I don't want to recommend books and have it hard to find them, I'd just like to make it the particular books (who.happen to have authors) as the important thing, instead of the other way around.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
What are the odds that they were intentionally created to represent white colonial imperialists vs. the odds they're just really evil monsters who someone thought would be really spooky a long time ago.

If we can read into things new elements, I don't see why we can't read them out as well. If the meaning and interpretation of HPLs work crystalized the moment he wrote it, why would mind flayers be different - i.e. your interpretation is almost certainly false given what we know of the early designers of D&D creatures.
I think it's more likely that D&D aberrations are alien amoral things from beyond that just don't think like we do, and there are only so many ways that you can differentiate them from human morality in that way.
 



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