Rings of Power -- all opinions and spoilers welcome thread.

[Jfdlsjfd]

And you did all that without citing a book that the producers can only allude to.

Even without any rights to a book, they could have respected it, mainly by not changing things in way that contradict them, without quoting them at all. They don't have rights to book that say elves don't have wings and can't levitate, yet we didn't see Galadriel floating over the sea... On the other hand, they did make her a praeternatural swimmer which is... unheard of at least. You can avoid contradicting a book even wihtout any right to refer to the content of said book.

If you want to discuss the show based only on its internal consistency, without interference from the wider Tolkien material, you may be interested in a sister thread especially devoted to this point of view.

 

[trappedslider]

They have full use of the LotR and the movies. Otherwise they could not have used the part about Morgoth stealing the Silmarils and heading to Middle Earth to make war.

You don't get to limit me to Appendix B when the produces can fully use(and did use) Appendix A.

What Material Does Amazon Have The Rights To For The Rings Of Power Answered!

One burning question fans have had is what material does Amazon have the rights to for The Rings of Power show? Well we know have an answer courtesy of

lrmonline.com

"“We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” "

keep that in mind when you start tossing around The Silmarillion, I was reading the interview, and your reaction made me laugh at this quote

“We worked in conjunction with world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate to make sure that the ways we connected the dots were Tolkienian and gelled with the experts’ and the estate’s understanding of the material,” Payne says

Clearly, they didn't talk to you or anyone else in this thread.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure that if he had been able to Christopher would have repurchased the rights.

 

[Maxperson]

keep that in mind when you start tossing around The Silmarillion, I was reading the interview, and your reaction made me laugh at this quote

So you quote my post, of which 90% of it was in the LotR or derived from it asking where it all was, try to limit me to Appendix B knowing that it was in Appendix A, and then when I reject your arbitrary limitation and prove to you that it was in the appendices, you retreat to, "Well you said something minor that was in the Silmarillion. Neener!"

You're being disingenuous man. My original post was on point and a correct response to the person I was responding to.

Clearly, they didn't talk to you or anyone else in this thread.

Pity, because the people that they talked to didn't get Tolkien. The Tolkien estate doesn't get a pass and and the implication of your sentence there is an Appeal to Authority.

As an aside, I'm pretty sure that if he had been able to Christopher would have repurchased the rights.

I agree, because the show bungled being Tolkien pretty badly.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Many experts agree that eating insects is great. How is it impacting any of us not liking eating insects?

 

[trappedslider]

So you quote my post, of which 90% of it was in the LotR or derived from it asking where it all was, try to limit me to Appendix B knowing that it was in Appendix A, and then when I reject your arbitrary limitation and prove to you that it was in the appendices, you retreat to, "Well you said something minor that was in the Silmarillion. Neener!"

You're being disingenuous man. My original post was on point and a correct response to the person I was responding to.

Pity, because the people that they talked to didn't get Tolkien. The Tolkien estate doesn't get a pass and and the implication of your sentence there is an Appeal to Authority.

I agree, because the show bungled being Tolkien pretty badly.

Actually, I was merely reminding you that the show doesn't have access to the Silmatillon despite you repeatedly bringing it up.

By quoting the quote it reminded me of the folks on social media and even some scientists disagreeing about covid. In this case, until I know otherwise your opinion to me doesn't carry the same weight as actual scholars on the topic of Tolkien.

 

[Maxperson]

Actually, I was merely reminding you that the show doesn't have access to the Silmatillon despite you repeatedly bringing it up.

Sometimes I bring it up like I did in that post where it doesn't really matter, since I'm answering a question about the world in general. Other times I bring it up with regard to personality and feel, and it can 100% be used for that since personality and feel don't touch on specific events.

In this case, until I know otherwise your opinion to me doesn't carry the same weight as actual scholars on the topic of Tolkien.

Can you show me proof that the people of the Tolkien estate are "actual scholars on the topic of Tolkien?" You are Appealing to Authority, which is a logical fallacy. You need more.

 

[Garthanos]

The rules of "alluding to" the Silmarillion are clearly pretty lenient. They built Galadriel's entire motivation on Sauron killing her brother Finrod, and you can only get that information from the Silmarillion. The Appendices say Finrod Felagund died saving the life of Beren, and that's all--nothing hints that Sauron was involved in any way.

Wait they cannot use materia based on its source being Silmarillion? Wow!!! talk about hamstringing it.

 

[Maxperson]

Wait they cannot use materia based on its source being Silmarillion? Wow!!! talk about hamstringing it.

Yep. Unless it is mentioned in the LotR books, The Hobbit or the movies.

 

[Dausuul]

“We worked in conjunction with world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate to make sure that the ways we connected the dots were Tolkienian and gelled with the experts’ and the estate’s understanding of the material,” Payne says.

I switched the bolding to the part of this that's actually important.

This is the word of a guy whose whole career is riding on the success of this show. I have no doubt Payne believes what he's saying, but it is famously difficult for people to understand things when their paychecks depend on not understanding them. What specifically were these experts asked? What exactly were their responses? We don't know, nor will we, unless they break their NDAs.

 

[trappedslider]

Can you show me proof that the people of the Tolkien estate are "actual scholars on the topic of Tolkien." You are Appealing to Authority, which is a logical fallacy. You need more.

So the actual sentence is "world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate"

We've already talked about how the IP holder (the estate which would include Simon Tolkien) may or may not view/treat the work, but the scholars themselves are a different matter. Since the only name of a Tolkien scholar that was/is attached to the project we have is Thomas Alan Shippey, we really don't have much to go on other than rumors regarding his leaving the project. We also don't know who the other scholars are.