Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

Rate RISE OF SKYWALKER

  • ★★★★★ Excellent

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • ★★★★ Good

    Votes: 26 36.1%
  • ★★★ Average

    Votes: 14 19.4%
  • ★★ Not Great

    Votes: 12 16.7%
  • ★ Terrible

    Votes: 8 11.1%

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
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This was the message that Palpatine broadcast before the start of the film. You had to play Fortnite to hear it, apparently.

 


Mallus

Legend
You know, for a movie that walks back/undoes the best parts of my 2nd favorite Star Wars movie, I enjoyed Rise quite a bit. I have plans to see in next week with friends, but I snuck out to see it alone this morning.

The worst part about it is the first 30 or so minutes, where J.J. races through the main plot like a player determined to have the worst possible experience of a BioWare game. It's in these frantic opening sequences Abrams seems most unsure of himself. Like he's trying to distract us from where he's going - to nowhere new, but to the end of the Skywalker saga.

But once the movie slows down, to the extent that it does, and character moments drop on the audience like colonies filled with sentimentality & nostalgia, not always exactly on target, but with great impact... anyway, for a while up through the end it approaches greatness.

It's glorified B-movie moviemaking punctuated by operatic melodrama and untreated nostalgia. I had tears in my eyes at least twice and I'm not sure my brain was fully operational for 2.5 hours. It's Star Wars!

I'm seeing it again in a week. I'll probably be drinking steadily through that screening, which could only make it better!
 

Mirtek

Hero
What I disliked and what really broke my ability for suspension of disbelief was once again the movie not taking the context of it's own setting seriously.

Just like GoT S7&8 suddenly ignoring any remotely sensible travel speeds, RoS just gave a #### about the logistics in even building a single Star Destroyer class vessel and getting it crewed.

And somehow designing a planet buster laser that fits on a mere star destroyer instead of requiring the power of a moon / planet sized star base isn't even the worst of it.

Weren't worlds with star docks able to construct such huge vessels rare and highly valuable? Didn't a single SD require a crew of almost 40k?

So this hidden backwater hiding place build 10k if those on the surface and found 400 million well trained people to crew every single one?

I couldn't really care anymore about the stuff the pro- and antagonists were going through, this giant not giving a ### anymore about the underlying coherency of the setting ruined it for me.
 



Mirtek

Hero
Not the OT TIE/ln that Kylo flew from the Death Star wreckage to Exowhatsis!
I didn't pay that close attention to it. Was it just a standard TIE or one of the advanced types? Back then the standard TIE had neither shields nor hyperdrives, but even then there also more advanced models that features shields and hyperdrives.

Most of those showed up in what's no "legends", but Vader's personal TIE he was flying in ANH was one of those too.

They do mention not having enough people to run each of the ships.
Yes, you're right. Forgot about that one line. Yet all of those ships seemed pretty operational somehow. And they were talking about sending them out to all corners of the galaxy in a few hours rather than "letting the skeleton crews to them to orbit and then later send them out to all corners of the galaxy in a couple of years once we have trained enough crew"
 
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Kaodi

Adventurer
I thought they broadcast fairly strongly that Finn might be Force Sensitive in TFA when it seemed like he heard the cries of terror of the people in the Hosnian system.

I think my final rating of this movie would have been a whole rank better if they had no literally ripped off Wonder Woman for their final confrontation: crossed sabers/crossed arms reflecting a lightning attack between ascended beings.

I enjoyed watching the movie, and I will buy it on Blu-Ray and I will enjoy watching it again. But the film... I do not think it is a good film. The best way I can perhaps describe it is that it is less than the sum of its parts. Because there are lots of great elements in this movie, but when you tack the not so good stuff onto them they kind of fade in importance. The way they resolved it just seemed too cheesy to me.

I will be interested to see how the big Rey vs Kylo duel rates to other Star Wars duels in the end. Perhaps it is to be expected that their lightsaber skills do not really have the crisp finesse of the Prequels. After all - they only get limited training from the only remaining lightsaber duelist, Luke, and even he probably did not really stack up well against the previous generation (Vader was old, and his father, so it is hard to compare there).
 


I didn't pay that close attention to it. Was it just a standard TIE or one of the advanced types? Back then the standard TIE had neither shields nor hyperdrives, but even then there also more advanced models that features shields and hyperdrives.

Most of those showed up in what's no "legends", but Vader's personal TIE he was flying in ANH was one of those too.

Standard TIE/ln with vertical solar panels.
 

Vael

Hero
So, I've had time to process.

Rise and Solo are easily the two worst of the new Star Wars movies. But let's be clear here ... they are still functional movies, which is more than I can say about the prequels, so I find some of the hyperbole ... well, hyperbolic.

Now, there's a few things I quite liked about Rise ... and several I detested. And since I want to end on a positive note, let's start with the bad, while alternating points.

Bad: The plot is utterly stupid. It's an endless series of fetch-quests for Macguffins that just drove me bananas. And, because the plot was so frenetic and ... meaningless, a lot of the emotional beats just did not work. Like Leia's passing. Chewie's "death". Han's cameo got more of a "huh, Ford came back", instead of a more emotional reaction.

Good: Why none of these movies will ever be as bad as the prequels, is because the cast does a great job of selling this stupid plot. I love the work put in by all the main cast.

Bad, and by this I mean Infuriating: As a part Asian, getting a fantastic character like Rose Tico is one of the reasons I have such love and respect for The Last Jedi, and why I defend the movie so much. So to have the Hobbit have more lines and more presence than her is ... :mad:

Ambivalent: I didn't hate the Bendemption. Redeeming Ben Solo had moments that sucked (the kiss, getting thrown down the pit) and moments that really worked (renacting TFA, Ben vs. the Knights of Ren (seriously, that look Adam Driver gives when Rey sends him the lightsaber is cocky-son-of-Han-Solo-realness)).

Pointlessly Bad: Making Rey a secret Palpatine. It was an unnecessary retcon. You could've still had Rey have the same arc, the same struggles with the Dark Side, heck, her willingness to go towards it scared Luke in TLJ. There was no need to do this.

Insultingly Bad: I knew, I knew that JJ's assurance that there'd be a queer character in Rise was going to be a heap of BS, and I was right, and I'm still pissed off.

Well, that sucks: I liked Snap. They killed Snap. Okay, if I'm being honest, it's more that I like Greg Grunberg.

Seriously, stop it: The status of Droids is a part of the Star Wars universe that doesn't hold under any scrutiny. Are they sentient, are they slaves? Better not to get into it. It's why I hate the L3-37 plotline in Solo, because they pass it off for cheap jokes and then introduce a real mental horror show of putting the droid's consciousness into the Falcon. So, the new droid in Rise ... acts a lot like a victim of abuse, and it's something that freaks me right the eff out.

Okay, that was a grudgingly cool note to end on: Rey taking up the Skywalker name.
 

pukunui

Legend
I’ve still only seen the movie once, but I went into it having read multiple comments about the frenetic pace. None of that bothered me.

There were some things that bothered me, but I can say that of every single Star Wars movie.

One of the things that bothered me about TROS that has stuck in my head is how the outline of the Sith dagger lined up with the outline of a specific part of the Death Star wreckage like puzzle pieces.

I thought that was super-lame and nonsensical.

I reckon it would’ve made more sense if the dagger had guided Rey via the Force to the right spot.
 

Stalker0

Legend
the outline of the Sith dagger lined up with the outline of a specific part of the Death Star wreckage like puzzle pieces.

I thought that was super-lame and nonsensical.

I reckon it would’ve made more sense if the dagger had guided Rey via the Force to the right spot.

Amen,

just have Rey show up, get a force feeling and walk right to the Mcguffin. It’s a big contrivance in any other franchise, but in Star Wars that would be perfectly acceptable.
 


MarkB

Legend
Pointlessly Bad: Making Rey a secret Palpatine. It was an unnecessary retcon. You could've still had Rey have the same arc, the same struggles with the Dark Side, heck, her willingness to go towards it scared Luke in TLJ. There was no need to do this.
So very much. One thing I just don't get in the new trilogy is the whole "hidden princess syndrome" thing, that people seem to think Rey can only be a valid protagonist and Force user if she has some special illustrious heritage. I really wanted her to be the hero simply because of who she is, not because of who her grandfather is.
 

Insultingly Bad: I knew, I knew that JJ's assurance that there'd be a queer character in Rise was going to be a heap of BS, and I was right, and I'm still pissed off.

She was there. Leia's aide / staff officer. She had a couple of lines, and a same-sex kiss at the end, though it was a bit of a "blink and you'll miss it" moment.

I think if you were looking for it to be a bit more front and center you'd be disappointed; but then Star Wars does romance poorly.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
Rey being a Palpatine was a bit of one step back, one step forward. Having her be directly related to another top tier Force user clearly sucks and has bad implications, but on the plus side there is a character (characters, actually, given her father) who is directly descended from Prime Space Nazi who nevertheless spurns his legacy. That may be the most political thing about the new trilogy.
 

Galandris

Foggy Bottom Campaign Setting Fan
Yes, you're right. Forgot about that one line. Yet all of those ships seemed pretty operational somehow. And they were talking about sending them out to all corners of the galaxy in a few hours rather than "letting the skeleton crews to them to orbit and then later send them out to all corners of the galaxy in a couple of years once we have trained enough crew"

I understood the need to "transmit signals" from a tower, then the lead star destroyer to the other was the sign the other were rather understaffed. If the commanding star destroyer can get out of the storm (really, BAD WEATHER can knock out ISD? I didn't understand that exactly) without the land tower giving a signal, it means that an operational star destroyer can do that. Yet, when the rebels destroy the emitter on this ISD, the Imps don't simply nominate another one as the new fleet leader. Maybe because they had a grand total of ONE space navigator in that fleet and mostly intended to use the fleet as a mobile artillery (maybe the weapon system is mostly automated).
 

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