Glyfair
Explorer
It was a thread where Piratecat discusses how to do that bit in character builder. It focuses on the software issue.
D&D 4E Running player commentary on PCat's 4E Campaign - Heroic tier (finished)
Blood Jester
First Post
But consider:
PC rogue Initiative 16
NPC villain Initiative 15.
Other PCs 14, 13, 9...
Rogue hits with Daily. Yay!
NPC goes next, hits PC for massive damage, then saves. Boo!
Zero advantage was gained from the Daily.
And this type of initiative order is not in the least unusual.
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
Very true.
For folks following at home, Blood Jester plays in my other 4e campaign The Merchant Prince. It's a six-player campaign also set in the Caprian empire, but the (rich and swashbuckling and socially important) PCs are following up a mystery on a mostly unexplored jungle continent. Their heroes are one level lower than the Grey Guard heroes, having just made 3rd level.
Blood Jester
First Post
Me am socially impotent?
That's unpossible!
I have however, swashed a few bucklers...
Thanks for this. But I swear that there was a lengthy thread dealing with the Expertise feats with some discussion about the mathematics/probability of the 4E system and how Expertise was a shoddy fix for an underlying flaw.
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
Right, in the Rules forum. Here it is, with no implicit recommendation from me -- I haven't read it, and don't know how useful it might be.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/251816-so-about-expertise.html
http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-rules/251816-so-about-expertise.html
Storminator
First Post
In this case, the rogue should either follow up with an action point attack, or delay until right after the villain, then deliver his daily.
I'm sure our group isn't the only one that manipulates the initiative order to maximize our power's effects. Just one more layer of tactics to deal with...
PS
Ahhh, that's the one. Thanks.
So how is it that you came to the conclusion to grant it as a free feat? (that's where the implicit recommendation came from in my eyes, but agree that it was not in that other thread, as I hadn't yet read it!)
There's a somewhat more constructive thread in House Rules where people discuss house rules to address the scaling issues without the need for (and with the presumed banning of) these feats. http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan...ves-feat-tax-solution-hit-f-r-w-defenses.html.
The basic math is:
Over 29 levels, from a starting level 1 character (with no magic items) to level 30:
To-hit, AC, and Fort/Reflex/Will gain +21 from levels/enhancement bonuses.
Assume you split your stat boosts to two stats that add to different FRW defenses. One of these stats is your primary attack stat. If you wear light armor, one of these stats boosts AC.
AC gains +6 more: either +6 from Masterwork Heavy Armor, or +2 from MW Light Armor and +4 from increases to an ability score which adds to AC.
To-hit and your two strong FRWs gain +4 more from Primary/Secondary Attribute advancement
Your one weak FRW gains +1 from the ability score boosts at levels 11/21.
So AC gains +27, to-hit and your two strong FRWs gain +25, and your weak FRW gains +22.
Over these 29 levels, monsters gain +29 to their to-hit and to all defenses. Compared to the monsters, players lose 2 on AC, players lose 4 on to-hit and their two strong FRWs, and lose 7 on their weak FRW.
These numbers don't take into account powers, Paragon paths, Epic destinies, or feats. This is just the raw effect of levels, stat increases, and enhancement bonuses of magic items.
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