Shadowdancer's Hide in plain Sight

[Thanee]

It uses the hide skill. Unless you are going to say next that hiding behind something isnt simply hiding either? after all, it is useing a prop.

It's just what the Hide skill says...

HIDE (DEX; ARMOR CHECK PENALTY)
Check: Your Hide check is opposed by the Spot check of anyone who might see you. You can move up to one-half your normal speed and hide at no penalty. When moving at a speed greater than one-half but less than your normal speed, you take a –5 penalty. It’s practically impossible (–20 penalty) to hide while attacking, running or charging.

You need cover or concealment in order to attempt a Hide check. Total cover or total concealment usually (but not always; see Special, below) obviates the need for a Hide check, since nothing can see you anyway.

If people are observing you, even casually, you can’t hide. You can run around a corner or behind cover so that you’re out of sight and then hide, but the others then know at least where you went. If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check; see below), though, you can attempt to hide. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Hide check if you can get to a hiding place of some kind. (As a general guideline, the hiding place has to be within 1 foot per rank you have in Hide.) This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast.

Hide in Plain Sight (Su): A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of some sort of shadow, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in her own shadow.

HiPS alters the way the Hide skill is used for a shadowdancer... and this is a magical effect.

"use the Hide skill" is part of this magical effect.
Without the magical effect, there is no using the Hide skill in this way.

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Hide is specifically not bypassed.

Non-magical Hide, not Hide in general.

Hide is what is being used, with another ability which modifies it.

And using Hide in the altered fashion is part of that magical ability.

same as having a cloak with a bonus to the check, a magical ability that is modifying the effect.

Cloak of Elvenkind: This cloak of neutral gray cloth is indistinguishable from an ordinary cloak of the same color. However, when worn with the hood drawn up around the head, it gives the wearer a +5 competence bonus on Hide checks.

Where exactly does this change the way the Hide skill is used!?

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

It is completely unimportant that hide in plain sight is magical, there is no bearing.

Of course, since otherwise your conclusion makes no sense.

(Su) and "simply" are being ignored. Voilá, without these parts, the RAW says, what you want.

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Thanee

 

[Scion]

and, strangely, it is completely unimportant that it is a magical effect. As I just said, over and over again.

Also, about the cloak, i said specifically that it modifies the effect. It adds in a bonus, and a pretty decent one at that.

It doesnt matter that hide in plain sight is magical, completely unimportant.

It doesnt matter that the shadows can be seen through.

It doesnt matter that true seeing can help in certain situations, this is not one of them.

Do you have anything other than saying that 'simply' implies a completely unmodified result from any sort of modifier? Be it class abilities, or feats, or whatever. Since, if it effects one there is no reason to assume it doesnt effect them all.

Hide in plain sight changes under what conditions hide can be used. Those conditions are met then the character is hiding. True seeing doesnt have anything to do with this, it cannot penetrate people hiding.

 

[Scion]

Of course, since otherwise your conclusion makes no sense.

(Su) and "simply" are being ignored. Voilá, without these parts, the RAW says, what you want.

Right, because obviously the word simple, which clarifies nothing, is the important part.

I am afraid that you simply have no legs to stand on here thanee. If you come up with some real reasoning feel free to post it.

Until then, hiding is hiding.

The ability being magical matters not at all, no reason for it to.

 

[Thanee]

Also, about the cloak, i said specifically that it modifies the effect. It adds in a bonus, and a pretty decent one at that.

It changes the result, but it does not change the Hide skill itself. HiPS, however, does.

Hide in plain sight changes under what conditions hide can be used.

It directly changes the way the skill works. It does not change some external conditions under which Hide operates, but the very effect of Hide itself (as seen in the Hide description).

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Right, because obviously the word simple, which clarifies nothing, is the important part.

The ability being magical matters not at all, no reason for it to.

Of course, since otherwise your conclusion makes no sense.

(Su) and "simply" are being ignored. Voilá, without these parts, the RAW says, what you want.

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Thanee

 

[Darkness]

HiPS alters the way the Hide skill is used for a shadowdancer... and this is a magical effect.

Your point being? The shadowdancer doesn't hide in the shadow, she uses the shadow for her ability. True seeing doesn't remove the shadow, it merely lets its user look through it. Since the shadowdancer is not in there, this is not very helpful against her.

If you're immune to fire/heat and a creature has a 'some like it hot' SQ that gives it a bonus to Str and Dex when near a flame, it can still use this bonus against you even if you, too, are standing near the flame. Only if you alter the ambient conditions you can negate its ability; your personal immunity to heat has no effect on the creature or its ability.

Same thing with the shadowdancer. As someone else pointed out already, you shouldn't cast true seeing (which doesn't help), you should cast daylight.

Non-magical Hide, not Hide in general.

That's not what the RAW say.

 

[Thanee]

Do you even have an explanation, why they say "simply hiding" instead of just "hiding", when it is (according to you) irrelevant and meant to apply to all hiding, anyways?

Why put the restrictive qualifier there?

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Your point being?

See above.

The shadowdancer doesn't hide in the shadow, ...

Huh? Where exactly did I claim that?

As someone else pointed out already, you shouldn't cast true seeing (which doesn't help), you should cast daylight.

And what exactly would that do?

That's not what the RAW say.

See above for a more exhaustive explanation, why I think "simply" means "mundane" aka "non-magical".

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Thanee