She-Hulk: Attorney at Law trailer

[Stalker0]

The makers of this show knew that there'd be a big toxic pushback to a strong female character, and they were entirely correct. This entire episode was letting them know that they are actually the villains of the piece, which I find to be marvelous.

I do think that is an excuse at times, a way to push away legitimate criticism of a project.

In She-Hulks case, I think the first few episodes do have problems tonally (I already talked about them early in this thread no need to rehash). The show to me hits its stride and becomes a lot better, but I think it would be disingenuous to say all the criticism is due to a "strong female character".

I consider the same thing for Captain Marvel for example. The movie is not that great to me, and there is a lot of legitimate and fair criticism about the movie. But a lot of people started retorting, "you only hate the movie because the lead is a woman". And again, that's disingenuous, the movie has some real problems with it, etc.

 

[Ryujin]

In the comics...Red Hulk is General "Thunderbolt" Ross, who falls to the old adage that when one fights monsters, one must be careful not to become one. There is no "good guy" Red Hulk - he's traditionally at best an anti-hero.

While it is possible they'll have a Red Hulk when they get around to the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers, I think the line was more a nod to, "We know you're theorizing and expecting a Red Hulk here, and we are not going to do what you expect."

There is one good guy Red Hulk portrayal. It's in the cartoon "Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H."

 

[pukunui]

Yep, they did not even get her blood yet with the new, sturdier needle. I expect that in the final episode and then whoever they use it on to show up in a different series or a movie.

Huh. Josh’s text message to “Hulk King” suggested to me that he’d gotten a blood sample while she was sleeping.

 

[Umbran]

That's less picking on women and more just comic book logic. You can cream the bad guys, but rough up one innocent and you get the public reaction.

So a guy, standing in the back of the room with other guys, all wearing obscuring masks at a formal event, filming the results of a group's smear campaign... doesn't sound particularly innocent.

And to be fair, in this example Jen destroys property in a VERY PUBLIC gathering, she's snarling, roaring....I mean the optics aren't great, its understandable would people would get freaked out.

I am not referring to how the public in the fictional world view it. I'm talking to one of my fellow viewers in the real world who apparently saw it as her "going mad".

Since they brought Daredevil into this, we can do a comparison - there's a point in that series when Matt finally has had enough. He goes to Fisk's apartment, and beats Fisk to a bloody pulp, in front of Fisk's wife. It is one of the most brutal fights in a series known for its brutal fights.

And for that, Daredevil is badass and edgy.

Jennifer here leaves the guy able to run away, and she's "gone mad".

The different interpretations of their emotional states, and whether they are appropriate, in the context of a world in which when women get upset they are "too emotional" seems relevant for this series.

 

[Stalker0]

So a guy, standing in the back of the room with other guys, all wearing obscuring masks at a formal event, filming the results of a group's smear campaign... doesn't sound particularly innocent.



I am not referring to how the public in the fictional world view it. I'm talking to one of my fellow viewers in the real world who apparently saw it as her "going mad".

Since they brought Daredevil into this, we can do a comparison - there's a point in that series when Matt finally has had enough. He goes to Fisk's apartment, and beats Fisk to a bloody pulp, in front of Fisk's wife. It is one of the most brutal fights in a series known for its brutal fights.

And for that, Daredevil is badass and edgy.

Jennifer here leaves the guy able to run away, and she's "gone mad".

The different interpretations of their emotional states, and whether they are appropriate, in the context of a world in which when women get upset they are "too emotional" seems relevant for this series.

I guess for me the daredevil scene in question is daredevil absolutely going mad, it’s the scene he lets it all go and stuffs those catholic values in the can for a moment…so I never really saw a different interpretation there.

 

[Umbran]

I guess for me the daredevil scene in question is daredevil absolutely going mad, it’s the scene he lets it all go and stuffs those catholic values in the can for a moment…so I never really saw a different interpretation there.

You left off the bit where, overall, we see Daredevil as badass and edgy. Overall, we accept violent expression of male anger.

 

[billd91]

I’m sure people more familiar with the comics will have more to say. I enjoyed it right up until the end, and then … I dunno. The whole toxic Anonymous-meets-QAnon Intelligencia thing is just a little too on the nose maybe and just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth … and the fact that a) real women have to deal with this sort of naughty word in real life and b) the writers decided to make this the triggering moment to show us Jen almost losing control just feels like we’re once again falling back on the same old “powerful woman can’t handle her power and goes mad” sexist trope.

Or... and this is more how I see it, this is a woman who is having shots taken at her and, particularly, her sexuality, and rather than being just angered, she can do something about it so she lets her anger out. She can be portrayed as doing exactly what a lot of women would like to do but can't. It wouldn't surprise me if Jen raging is, for women, not unlike guys watching Captain America punching Nazis. It's something we'd like to do but are inhibited from doing because of the real-life consequences.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Huh. Josh’s text message to “Hulk King” suggested to me that he’d gotten a blood sample while she was sleeping.

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Yeah, I still think that was weird. They did not show it being done and "show, not tell" is a big part of comics.

 

[Zaukrie]

Great episode. I think the show is hitting it's stride, just in time for the season to end.....

 

[pukunui]

I am not referring to how the public in the fictional world view it. I'm talking to one of my fellow viewers in the real world who apparently saw it as her "going mad".

In the context of the show, particularly the scene setting with Bruce at the beginning, I saw it as Jen almost losing control. Yes, she lets the guy go, and whether she actually lost control or not, that’s what it looks like. That’s why the Damage Control guys are there, pointing guns at her. Hell, their quick response suggests they were already there just in case. They’ve undoubtedly been waiting for her to go into a Hulk rage like Bruce used to do.

So yeah, we viewers might be able to discern the truth here, but in the fictional world, it looks like a case of powerful woman gone mad.

Perhaps I’m just overly sensitive to it because of how I felt about Wanda in MoM.