Mannahnin
Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Maybe. It came up during the vampire attack that they had forgotten the trunk of weapons outside.
Sinners (2025)
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Mannahnin
Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Yeah, that's a nice bit of relief and closure.
The scene is also there as part of a classic horror movie trope. Which is to address the question "If vampires are real and kill people as shown in the movie, why aren't they a well known problem? Why are they legends instead of an accepted truth?". Sinners provides an answer that works equally well both in-universe and IRL.
The vampires are actively following real world atrocities and killing people that won't be missed. Mass murders of black southerners aren't paid attention to because everyone assumes the KKK did it. Before that, the head vampire killed remote farmers that would be assumed killed by the Choctaw. And before that he was killing the Choctaw, which would have been ignored by white authorities. The Irish background of the head vampire also hints towards hanging out around unrest there before coming to America. Their trail of victims is all marginalized people that wouldn't be investigated.
The KKK scene isn't 100% necessary to tell this part of the story, but it's a great way to show it head on rather than just imply it. Especially because it spells out that the KKK wasn't just coming to stop the twins or burn down the building. They were clearly ready to cause a violent massacre, the same as the vampires.
The KKK scene isn't 100% necessary to tell this part of the story, but it's a great way to show it head on rather than just imply it. Especially because it spells out that the KKK wasn't just coming to stop the twins or burn down the building. They were clearly ready to cause a violent massacre, the same as the vampires.
chuckdee
Adventurer
I have no idea what you mean. If you care to expand, I could respond. But I think you meant it in a derogatory fashion, so perhaps better to not have any idea. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance, but it just feels that way.
Necropolitan
Hero
It also explains why vampires who turn anyone they bite haven't overrun the entire world and turned everyone into vampires like a zombie apocalypse.
Since they operate off a near-hivemind, the lead vampire can simply have any vampires they've turned that they doesn't need anymore stay out in the sun and get rid of them that way.
It also proves Remmick's promise of a post-racial utopia was a lie. He turned everyone he could get his hands on because he wanted as many minions as possible so he could get his hands on Sammie. After turning Sammie he most likely would have kept him and had the rest of them stay out to await the rising sun.
Since they operate off a near-hivemind, the lead vampire can simply have any vampires they've turned that they doesn't need anymore stay out in the sun and get rid of them that way.
It also proves Remmick's promise of a post-racial utopia was a lie. He turned everyone he could get his hands on because he wanted as many minions as possible so he could get his hands on Sammie. After turning Sammie he most likely would have kept him and had the rest of them stay out to await the rising sun.
Retros_x
Adventurer
I would say if something has the horror genre as a meta component like horror comedies often do without scaring the audience, its still under the main bucket of horror. Because if the horror genre would not exist, these movies would also not exist. Scare and fear is the core emotion of horror, yes, but it doesn't mean that the movies needs to scare the audience, it can also mean that the typical scare factors of horror movies get laughed at in a comedy.
I did not say "All movies with spiders are horror". I did say at last "all movies where fighting a vampire (a supernatural being) is the main conflict are at least partly horror genre" which is quite more specific than your false analogy.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
The analogy is fine. Vampires are just a thing that you might put in a movie. Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein has vampires, but it is not a horror movie. It is not trying to scare anyone. In fact, it's doing the opposite, by taking the mickey out of them its making them deliberately unscary. Hotel Transylvania would be a more modern example.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
Not really though, given he's explicitly so old he's pre-Christian, and specifically from pre-Christian Ireland.
I don't think that actually adds up. A lynching or murder or five sure.
First off, they don't turn up until well after dawn, so assuming this is summer that's going to be what, 6-7am? The vast majority of the people will already have left - all you'd be likely to find might be people cleaning up, possibly some drunks sleeping it off if the owners were the types to let them, but you might not even find that. Hell, you might not even find the owners. You'd almost certainly find someone and that's what the Klan want - token murders to scare people and show them who is boss, because they want domination/white supremacy not genocide (at this point in history).
Second off, the KKK didn't bring many people or weapons. I count 12 (the scene is on YouTube) and about 50% of them have weapons at all - pistols/shotguns. That's plenty for forcing people to flee or committing a few murders. It's grossly underarmed and undermanned for a massacre.
To me it seems more like the vibe is that
the KKK came to do a few murders rather than a massacre, and was utterly annihilated because they weren't expecting an ambush from a trained soldier armed with fully-automatic military weapons (a BAR and a Tommy gun with a drum mag) which were essentially a "tech level" up from what they were using. That in fact they were just there to kill the twins and/or some of their employees and possibly burn down the building (though re-watching the scene they don't seem to have petrol cans, so clearly weren't looking to do so in a hurry). If they wanted to do a massacre it would have been trivial for them to come at night from both sides and just set the barn on fire, shooting anyone who came out - it's a classic murderous racist move that I believe the Klan did later use. But they chose to wait until morning, presumably due to cowardice - i.e. fear any of them might be hurt or inconvenienced in any way - and being focused on domination/white supremacy.
Your general point re: the vampires hiding behind other people's killings is obviously correct though and no doubt that if the Klan found the bodies of all the dead they would have prevented any investigation on the grounds that someone was doing god's work.
I will say whoever came to that scene after the Klan would be wildly confused. You'd have a bunch of dead bodies of black people and a few others inside, some with animal-type injuries and some with wooden sticks in their chests. You'd have a bunch of dead black and white people outside to the right of the barn who were very burned (to ash maybe?). You'd have this bunch of white guys and one black guy who were all shot/exploded. What a puzzle!
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billd91
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That wouldn't preclude him from being in Ireland during years of plantations, dispossessions, and uprisings before traveling to America. Remmick's statements may erroneously conflate religious conversion with dispossessions a bit since Ireland generally wasn't converted to Christianity by invaders or force, but complaints about the dispossession of land and imposition of culture by an invader would still track.
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